I think your idea has potential--passing the buck when it comes to difficult books for scanners, but what I am after is how to conceptualize the project. If [continued on next page] will take care of the problem, if identifying a symbol to use for bullets in a braille document will work, I can deal with that. It's the visual complexity of a page that is defeating me. Someone would have to decide, if the book was recorded linearly, what to do, too -- journal entries are at the end of each chapter -- journal entries are on a separate tape -- or I guess links to the person's name so you can decide when to read their entries, but we are dealing with a linear presentation at this point and a limited spoken or braille "view" of the material. And, as you say, I don't have unlimited time, but I think sharing good material is worthwhile. Merrill Louise, Pastor The Judson Fellowship Jamestown, New York cell/office 716.969.2840 "With all my heart I praise the Lord, and I am glad because of God my Savior. (Luke 1:46-47) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Conventions > How about passing the buck? (grin). Both books sound > as if they have a lot of problems. If I were you > (which I'm not, nor am I in your line of work, so I > don't have any ethical problems with what I'm about to > suggest), I'd use the books for my purposes and when I > was finished with them, if I thought they'd be useful > to the bookshare members, I'd mail the books to the > folks at Benetech and let them deal with them. Or, if > I wanted to keep copies for the future and felt that > it wouldn't be right to make copies for myself, I'd > write to the publishers and ask them to donate copies > to Benetech. If the clever Benetech folks can't figure > out the best way to do it, probably they can contact > the publishers and ask for permission to re-organize > the books. > > O.K., so I'm copping out. But your time and effort is > valuable, and between your work for bookshare and your > pastoral duties, and, if you have one, your family, > there may be better uses for said time and effort that > trying to make those two books readable for bookshare > at the moment. > > Cindy > > > --- Merrill Louise <STARBASEWILDGOOSE@xxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > If I moved the text to keep it together, page breaks > > would become irrelevant. Text from pages 1 and 2 > > would appear on page 1 and text on page 1 would be > > moved to page 2. > > > > In another book I am scanning slowly, I have the > > same problem. There's the text and in side bars and > > in the body, there are journal entries from five or > > six different people. You'll be reading the body > > text, come across a partial journal entry, go back > > to the text, come upon another partial journal > > entry, maybe go back to the text, maybe go back to > > the previous journal entry or go onto a third > > journal entry. I tried just moving the journal > > entries to the end of the chapter. I can kind of > > match up the pieces, but in the first chapter, I > > ended up with a paragraph that I don't know to whom > > it belongs! It's an oversized book, too and I really > > wish it wasn't laid out this way because it is > > interesting, both the text and the journal entries. > > They don't, by the way, closely correlate with one > > another. The preface says you can read the text, > > read the journals, read them together, read one > > first and then the other or the other way round so > > which page they appear on is not important. If I > > were to finish this book, put it into decent shape > > and upload it, you would end up with journal entries > > on unnumbered pages at the end of each chapter and > > some of the chapter pages would be blank because no > > body text appears on them. > > > > Merrill Louise, Pastor > > The Judson Fellowship > > Jamestown, New York > > cell/office 716.969.2840 > > "With all my heart I praise the Lord, and I am > > glad because of God my Savior. (Luke 1:46-47) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jana Jackson > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 6:35 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Conventions > > > > > > Hi, Merrill! Sharon's suggestion is probably the > > best one, and I don't believe it's considered to be > > a violation to handle textbooks in this way. But > > were you saying that when you do this, it causes the > > page breaks to be in the wrong place? > > > > Jana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sharon > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:25 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Conventions > > > > > > I'd probably place the material together so that > > it flows more naturally. It drives me crazy when > > stuff is picked up several pages later. But then > > again, maybe we are not supposed to do so. Sharon > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush >