If you leave page numbers in a way that the stripper can recognize them/strip them, I believe that the Bookshare Daisy encoder will remove them from the bodytext but insert them in a page number tag. As such, you should still be able to go to page X with Victor soft or other daysy reader. The trick of course is to normalize page numbers during the book editing process. Guido Guido Dante Corona IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx. Research Division, Phone: 512. 838. 9735. Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.ibm.com/able "Kenneth A. Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 03/31/2005 09:23 PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss To <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: Clarifying the stripper and page number issue for Monday Meeting The issue is to be able to refer other people, not BookShare users, to the exact place where material can be found. This is necessary for footnoting, for using the book's contents page, and for being referred by the book itself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten" <maryotten@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Clarifying the stripper and page number issue for Monday Meeting > Cindy, > Many of the devices we use to listen to books remember where you were when you close out of the book. And if they don't, then what good is a page number for finding the place? Better to just enter something like > *** which you can then search on and find your place that way and get rid of the ***. I'd never remember a page number from one time to the next. Braille hard copy readers use bookmarks just like print hard copy > readers do. I can't speak to the folks who use paperless braille, like the braille note. I don't know if that device remembers your stopping place, but I'd venture to say that a page number in and of itself offers no help > unless you remember it from one time to the next, whether one is using speech or braille to access the print. The Daisy format is good, because it offers the ability to get to the page number if one wants it and not if one > doesn't. It satisfies both categories. Retained print page numbers are used to provide the page numbers for the daisy books. > The difference between reading hard copy braille and listening to speech is that with the former, you have the ability to automatically skip things like top of page headers or page numbers, like you can do when you > read print. If one is listening with speech, one has no choice but to hear all that stuff because one listens serially without the option to just ignore the existence of the stuff at the top of the page. > Mary > > >