Cindy, I remember the thread you are refering to. From what I recall, there were two reasons given for inserting a hard return between the word chapter and the chapter number. The first reason I think that was given was that someone believed that the Stripper would ignore a header if the page did not contain a blank line between the heading and the following paragraph. Since adding the hard return between the word chapter and the chapter number breaks the chapter heading into two separate paragraphs, they believed the Stripper would ignore the chapter heading. I've never seen any evidence that this is true, though, or that a blank line is required between headers/footers and the rest of the text on the page. The volunteering instructions do not specify that there must be a blank line between a header/footer and the closest paragraph of text, only that a header must be the first paragraph on the page and that the footer must be the last. I do recommend having a blank line between the text and header/footer, however. It's possible that the Stripper does require this to recognize a header/footer after all, but I'd recommend it even if it doesn't if for no other reason than it makes the page numbers easier to spot visuallly in the HTML files unpacked with the DAISY books. Don't forget that while blindness/visual impairments are the most common reason for a print disability, Bookshare intends for books to be usable by people with other print disabilities. As I said, I've never seen any evidence that the person, or persons, knew what they were talking about, and I don't recommend using this approach for protecting chapter headings. The second reason I remember being given was that volunteers had stated that they add the hard return between the word chapter and the chapter number to insure that if the Stripper strips the first line, then only the word chapter would be stripped and members would still have the chapter number for a reference. This sounds like it would probably work, but it's not the approach I would recommend using. Jake's website has a tip titled "Protecting Chapter titles and other headings" which gives a brief explanation of the two best approaches to use for protecting chapter headings. As we learned recently regarding a problem with the book "My Utmost For His Highest", it needs to include approaches for handling text at the bottom of pages which shouldn't be stripped, or we need a second tip for protecting text at the bottom of pages. It should also probably include some examples as well as some information about what not to do, but it does list the two best approaches for protecting chapter headings. HTH Gerald -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:42 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Chapter numbers. I thought, too, that someone suggested, and had found that it worked, to put Chapter above the chapter number to save the number from the stripper, and I started doing that with the last two books I've validated. Before I was just putting the numbers in font that approximated what was in the book, and centering it when it was centered in the book, was was the usual practice. What's the official word now/ Cindy --- Paula and James Muysenberg <outofsightlife@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi, Robin, > > I agree that we should not alter the text in > books. The only thing is > that some volunteers have found that stand-alone > numbers are sometimes > removed by the stripper (at least in BRF files), > even when there is > something above the number to protect it. > > Has anyone noticed whether this is still a > problem, or has it been > corrected? > > Thanks, > Paula > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject > line. To get a list of available commands, put the > word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.