[bksvol-discuss] Books with problems--what to do
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:23:46 -0700 (PDT)
Hi, Devorah.
I'm not sure if your question refers to when
validating or downloading from the collection, or
exactly to what Curtis is referring, either.
The Comments section on page two of the upload is to
notify the administrator if there's something wrong
with the book, why it's being rejected, why the
validator is changing the rating, etc.
I'm not sure if newbies know that comments written
there aren't seen by readers of the book. That's why
when I have comments I want the reader to see, e.g.,
that the spelling and punctuation are English rather
than American, or that there is some swearing and
profanity or sex (but not enough that I rated the book
Adult) I put it in the long synopses.
If the book s downloaded from the collection with
missing pages or a lot of errors, it should be
rescanned and a BSO submitted. It sure would be a lot
easier, imho, if it were put back on the download list
for someone like me to fix, and this was done "in the
old days." For some reason I don't understand, the PWB
(powers that be) think it takes less time and effort
to rescan the book.
I really don't understand how having two people put in
time and effort on a book to perfect it saves time
over having one person do it. I wish some of you
engineers or any of you time management people could
explain that to me. smile
The other problem is that the books don't get
rescanned very rapidly. Has anyone looked at Jake's
list? Or the Wish List (24 listed, of which two are
being rescanned).
G. Cindy
--- Devorah Greenstein <DGreenstein@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm puzzled. Doesn't the Bookshare computer have
> people's names attached
> to each book as it goes through the process and gets
> put into the
> collection? I mean, someone (some computer) knows
> that I've validated a
> particular book because I get reminders and a thank
> you at the end.
> Can't we offer feedback to people who submit and
> validate books ? Or set
> standards? What are "the old rules"? If Curtis reads
> a book that is
> missing pages or is not up to snuff, is there an
> evaluation form or
> something that he can give to someone so that the
> book is reviewed and
> improved? Or does it just stay in circulation as is?
>
> I know I'm a newby, but I also know that when I'm
> reading a print book
> (I'm sighted) and it's missing pages (which just
> happened to me in a
> hardcover fantasy book, and they were critical
> pages) well I get really
> mad. So I'm sympathizing with Curtis.
>
> Devorah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a
> waste and frustrating
>
> I'm glad you ranted so now I don't have to. My
> feeling is that these
> scanners are not on this list, possibly started
> scanning when
> Bookshare's
> standards were so low and have not bothered to read
> the submitting
> updates.
> What's even worse is if a validator working under
> the old rules gets one
> of
> these books; then a truly poor product results. Jill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:19 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a
> waste and frustrating
>
>
> >I might add, though reluctantly, I have downloaded
> books lately where
> the
> > person who scanned the book did not read it, or if
> did, ignored a
> plethora
> > of errors and then called the scan " excellent,
> almost no errors." I
> > wonder
> > how ... or why ... that happens? Any book I have
> sent I have read
> > thoroughly
> > from cover to cover, and exhumed as many obvious
> errors or missing
> pages
> > or
> > missing words ... as possible. It's frustrating
> when, particularly
> when
> > it's
> > a book I truly like and want to finish, to have
> all kinds of errors
> which
> > continue to continue without knowing what the
> source was suppose to
> be.
> > Reading a book by gathering it by context is no
> fun. :)
> >
> > Sorry for my rant, however it seems to me that if
> books are to be
> > submitted,
> > then they should be submitted with the idea that
> as many errors as
> > possible
> > be handled by the original submitter, not the
> validator.
> > When both the submitter, and the validator are
> involved with
> corrections,
> > many fewer errors are the result, but you can't
> start out with the
> context
> > and expect much more than the hodge podge it began
> with.
> > Many times, scanners, as such, put in long
> descriptions, advertise on
> > these
> > lists, books they've sent but when I download ...
> >
> > Curtis Delzer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:42 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] see long synopsis a
> waste and frustrating
> >
> >
> > Dear Booksharian Friends,
> >
> > Those words, "See long synopsis," which appeared
> on several titles on
> > Sunday's new books list frustrate and annoy me
> every time I read them.
>
> > From
> > yesterday's list I uploaded 6 books but none of my
> choices had those
> > dreaded
> > words in their descriptions.
> >
> > Your valuable volunteer and staff efforts have
> given me so many
> wonderful,
> > usually unexpected, books to read, I don't take
> time from my
> volunteering
> > reading, and real life to look up titles that
> refer me to the long
> > synopsis.
> >
> > I also don't punish myself either to make a point
> by failing to read
> books
> > I
> > recognize that I like whose authors or titles I
> already know, just
> because
> > the submittor and validator didn't take time to
> write any kind of
> helpful
> > short synopsis for them. But, If I'm not familiar
> with the book, I
> don't
> > bother to track down a long synopsis. If
> volunteers can't be bothered
> to
> > write a helpful short synopsis, I conclude they
> don't care much about
> that
> > book and don't waste unnecessary time finding out
> about it because I
> think
> > it has a good chance of not being carefully
> prepared.
> >
> > If a volunteer cares about a book, you'd think she
> or he would want
> others
> > to benefit from their work. You'd think they would
> hope many readers
> will
> > select their book and it will be widely read. Why
> put your own book in
> the
> > seconds bin by not writing an inviting and/or
> informative short
> synopsis
> > for
> > it? The short synopsis is the book's best
> publicity.
> >
> > In other discussions some volunteers have used the
> excuse that they
> can't
> > write a long synopsis because they haven't read
> the book. By my
> personal
> > work standards That already shows a considerable
> amount of lack of
> caring.
> > However given the volunteer isn't planning to read
> the book, this
> excuse
> > still doesn't hold up. Why not formulate a short
> synopsis by
> summarizing
> > that famous long synopsis to which they direct
> potential readers. It
> > wouldn't take too long to dash out some brief high
> points mentioned in
>
> > that
> > long synopsis. It's only 200 characters or less
> we're hoping for.
> >
> > I'll always appreciate everyone's work and am not
> targeting an
> individual
> > since I didn't look up any of these books to
> identify the volunteers
> who
> > write "See long synopsis." I wouldn't dream of
> trying to manipulate
> the
> > volunteer community or the staff to weigh in on
> this issue or to
> institute
> > major changes according to my personal guidelines
> and desires. It's my
>
> > hope
> > that expressing my opinion might result in some
> books in the future
> being
> > given the more detailed short synopses they
> deserve. And if that
> happens
> > or
> > not, at least I've expressed my feelings.
> >
> > I assume all of us have the good of Bookshare at
> heart. I've written
> this
> > pointed and fervent message from the perspective
> of both a volunteer
> and a
> > reader who loves Bookshare. I'm stating my opinion
> to encourage
> volunteers
> > to try a little harder to attract readers to their
> books and to make
> book
> > browsing more satisfying to me.
> >
> > Always with love,
> >
> > Lissi
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email
> to
> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
> subject line. To get a
> list
> > of
> > available commands, put the word 'help' by itself
> in the subject line.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email
> to
> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
> subject line. To get a
> list
> > of available commands, put the word 'help' by
> itself in the subject
> line.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG.
> > Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1381 -
> Release Date:
> 4/16/2008
> > 9:34 AM
> >
>
> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject
> line. To get a list
> of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself
> in the subject
> line.
>
> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject
> line. To get a list of available commands, put the
> word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
>
>
***WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE COLLECTION)IS
AVAILABLE AT
http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/Book_Requests.htm
http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
http://studentpages.alma.edu/~07jmyate/book_requests.htm
A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT
http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/scanning.html
Jake's site for useful links: http://www.jbrownell.com/bkslinks.html
____________________________________________________________________________________
Be a better friend, newshound, and
know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of
available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
Other related posts:
