[bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to the collection that are really only good
- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:24:48 -0500
If you are doing spell check in Word, you can choose ignore all and it
won't ask about the names again.
Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure.
----- Original Message -----
From: "eric troup" <yakkoman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to
the collection that are really only good
I have an ignorant question. I'd think using spell checker would be
most annoying due to names which appear frequently in the book. Do
you have an option to skip that word through the duration of the
book? (As you can see, I'm not much of a spell checker. At least,
not in terms of using an actual spell checker.)
I check spelling on the fly as wel, but I just do it with me noggin.
Nothing against spell checkers themselves, just like to keep the flow
of the narrative as much as possible.
On 17 Apr 2008, at 04:50, Grandma Cindy wrote:
> My method is slightly different from yours, though
> I've thought of doing a spell-check first. However, I
> don't. I read the book with the spell-check on--I
> don't know if blind people can do that or if it would
> be too annoying. I correct as I go, and when I find an
> incorrect word that us actually a real word but not
> the right one, I do a find and replace for others--not
> a global replace, though; I've been caught too many
> times having changed things that shouldn't have been
> changed and having to go back and correct them and
> I've learned my lesson. When I've finished reading the
> book, I do a final spell-check, and usually I do find
> a few--very few--words that I've missed--and I do a
> final page-number check.
>
> I don't validate indices or bibliographies, but I
> don't delete them, either. I offer to do them later if
> a reader would like me to.
>
> G.Cindy
>
>
>> Hi Judy and Others,
>>
>> I am always surprised when I download an excellent
>> book and find that it's
>> definitely not. Although these books are
>> frustrating discoveries, I think
>> the majority of Excellent books are deserving of
>> that rating.
>>
>> Getting a book up to that rating is a joint effort,
>> though. Like you, I
>> appreciate the scanners' comments, explaining the
>> validation steps that they
>> followed before submitting the book. It doesn't
>> change my approach to
>> validating, but it informs me of how much time my
>> validation process is
>> likely to take.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I begin by searching for the
>> number 1, in combinations
>> such as 1 1' 1. 1? And so forth.
>>
>> I then search for random characters that typically
>> don't belong in the book:
>> caret, accent, tilde, percent, pound, and so on. By
>> finding these and
>> eliminating them, if appropriate, I get an overall
>> glimpse of how much
>> validating needs to be done.
>>
>> Spell-check or not to spell-check: I then make a
>> determination on whether
>> I'll run the spellchecker. For most novels and
>> nonfiction, I will; but for
>> books such as Buddhism in Action, where I'm battling
>> two spelling problems,
>> lots of Hindi words and lots of scanographical
>> errors that resulted in
>> actual words, I've determined that it isn't worth it
>> to run spell check.
>> I'll rely on my full reading of the book to catch
>> errors.
>>
>> I then scan for common scanos, such as die for the
>> and comer for corner. If
>> I don't find lots of these, I figure it's a good
>> sign.
>>
>> I usually then start reading the book. Since I'm
>> going to read straight
>> through, this is when I check things like whether
>> all the pages are there,
>> whether lines are missing, whether certain text is
>> garbled, etc.
>>
>> I've found that there are errors that are better
>> caught with speech, and
>> other errors better caught with Braille.
>>
>> Example: One excellent book I downloaded might have
>> read all right with
>> Braille, but was a nightmare when I read it with
>> speech. This was a book I
>> wanted to read, and one I did read, even though
>> there weren't spaces after
>> quotation marks, resulting in things like, "I hate
>> this,"she said. (Funny
>> thing is, JAWS reads this just fine, but my Pacmate
>> tried to run this and
>> she together because there was no space. It did
>> this all through the book,
>> because neither the scanner or validator went in and
>> put spaces after the
>> quotation marks. This is the kind of thing we need
>> to find good ways to
>> catch.
>>
>> Finally, if the book has indices or other extras, I
>> make a determination as
>> to whether they can be salvaged. I think I've only
>> ever deleted one index,
>> which was very nearly garbled beyond recognition.
>> It was for a very short
>> book, and I felt it didn't add much to the book.
>>
>> As I'm uploading, I review everything that will be
>> visible when the book
>> goes into the collection. For instance, I check the
>> short and long
>> synopses, title, author, publisher, copyright date,
>> ISBN, and the selected
>> categories and adult rating etc., to make sure it
>> looks good.
>>
>> I'm not saying I won't miss things, but this is the
>> rough process I use.
>>
>> One of my frustrations is when a scanner uploads a
>> book and marks it as
>> excellent, and then I open the book and it's clearly
>> not. I downloaded one
>> recently where I found lots of missing words or
>> garbled lines, and I knew I
>> wouldn't be able to correct it easily. I simply
>> returned the book to step
>> one, as I figured it'd take more effort to fix it
>> than I felt I could
>> manage. I guess I could see how it might have
>> gotten an excellent rating,
>> as there were good-sized chunks of very readable
>> text, but when it went bad,
>> it was really bad. I'd appreciate an honest rating.
>> The book probably
>> deserved good, which at least would have warned
>> potential validators that it
>> would require a fair bit of work.
>>
>> May I ask scanners how they determine whether to
>> rate their submissions as
>> good or excellent?
>>
>> And I'd love to see Bookshare scan the book on
>> initial submission, and offer
>> a potential rating. Does it do this yet? I know
>> it's something we've
>> talked about in the past.
>>
>> Finally, I'd love to see a way to leave a comment as
>> to why a validator
>> returned a book to step one. This could include
>> comments such as: Frequent
>> Hindi words; not familiar enough to validate ... Or
>> has lots of pictures
>> that will require interpretation by a sighted person
>> ... Or even ... This
>> book has too many errors for me to validate at this
>> time.
>>
>> I hope there's value in some of this. Mostly, it's
>> just me thinking
>> publicly.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Judy s.
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:08 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Books rated excellent
>> recently added to the
>> collection that are really only good
>>
>> Let me add my 'ditto' to the complaints posted here
>> today about books
>> entering the collection recently that aren't up to
>> snuff.
>>
>> I was just crabbing off-list to Grandma Cindy about
>> this last week. I've
>> downloaded several books this last month that had
>> just entered the
>> collection which had many obvious errors, but were
>> rated excellent. I've
>> certainly missed stuff myself when validating, even
>> though I read through
>> every single book I validate, but the errors I found
>> in downloaded books
>> were things like chapter after chapter with "1"
>> instead of "I" in the text.
>>
>> As a validator, I appreciate scanners like Shelley
>> and Mayrie (and many
>> others) who put in their comments whether or not
>> they've read the scan
>> through, if they've spell-checked it, stripped
>> headings, verified page
>> numbers and the like.
>> I'm much more likely to download a book from the
>> step 1 list if that
>> information is available, because I know what to
>> expect and can judge how
>> much time I will have to allocate to give that book
>> the attention it might
>> need.
>>
>> Judy s.
>>
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