I do fix things like that. Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric troup" <yakkoman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added to the collection that are really only good I suppose you're right, but I have a real hard time not correcting things like "He begin to notice he was sweating as the lights dimmed." I know we're not supposed to fix it, but dammit, that's supposed to be "began to notice!" Don't get me wrong, I don't fix sentence structure or anything intrusive like that, but there are times when it was clearly an editor's oops, and I do have a hard time not fixing those. They jump out at me like muggers on a darkly-lit street. On 17 Apr 2008, at 10:31, Lora wrote: > Hi, > > Like you, I don't do a global find and replace, because that can > result in > new and interesting errors that need to be fixed later. But like > you, when > I find an error, I do a find, and replace things on a one at a time > basis. > > Yes, we can spell check as we read. JAWS will announce spelling > errors. > You just need to make sure it's not announcing grammar errors, too, > as that > can become annoying. Many novels don't quite pass the grammar > check, and it > reports lots of false errors. Besides, we're not here to correct > grammar. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grandma > Cindy > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:50 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books rated excellent recently added > to the > collection that are really only good > > My method is slightly different from yours, though I've thought of > doing a > spell-check first. However, I don't. I read the book with the spell- > check > on--I don't know if blind people can do that or if it would be too > annoying. > I correct as I go, and when I find an incorrect word that us > actually a real > word but not the right one, I do a find and replace for others--not > a global > replace, though; I've been caught too many times having changed > things that > shouldn't have been changed and having to go back and correct them > and I've > learned my lesson. When I've finished reading the book, I do a final > spell-check, and usually I do find a few--very few--words that I've > missed--and I do a final page-number check. > > I don't validate indices or bibliographies, but I don't delete them, > either. > I offer to do them later if a reader would like me to. > > G.Cindy > > >> Hi Judy and Others, >> >> I am always surprised when I download an excellent book and find >> that >> it's definitely not. Although these books are frustrating >> discoveries, I think the majority of Excellent books are deserving >> of >> that rating. >> >> Getting a book up to that rating is a joint effort, though. Like >> you, >> I appreciate the scanners' comments, explaining the validation >> steps >> that they followed before submitting the book. It doesn't change >> my >> approach to validating, but it informs me of how much time my >> validation process is likely to take. >> >> For what it's worth, I begin by searching for the number 1, in >> combinations such as 1 1' 1. 1? And so forth. >> >> I then search for random characters that typically don't belong in >> the >> book: >> caret, accent, tilde, percent, pound, and so on. By finding these >> and >> eliminating them, if appropriate, I get an overall glimpse of how >> much >> validating needs to be done. >> >> Spell-check or not to spell-check: I then make a determination on >> whether I'll run the spellchecker. For most novels and nonfiction, >> I >> will; but for books such as Buddhism in Action, where I'm battling >> two >> spelling problems, lots of Hindi words and lots of scanographical >> errors that resulted in actual words, I've determined that it isn't >> worth it to run spell check. >> I'll rely on my full reading of the book to catch errors. >> >> I then scan for common scanos, such as die for the and comer for >> corner. If I don't find lots of these, I figure it's a good sign. >> >> I usually then start reading the book. Since I'm going to read >> straight through, this is when I check things like whether all the >> pages are there, whether lines are missing, whether certain text is >> garbled, etc. >> >> I've found that there are errors that are better caught with >> speech, >> and other errors better caught with Braille. >> >> Example: One excellent book I downloaded might have read all right >> with Braille, but was a nightmare when I read it with speech. This >> was a book I wanted to read, and one I did read, even though there >> weren't spaces after quotation marks, resulting in things like, "I >> hate this,"she said. (Funny thing is, JAWS reads this just fine, >> but >> my Pacmate tried to run this and she together because there was no >> space. It did this all through the book, because neither the >> scanner >> or validator went in and put spaces after the quotation marks. >> This >> is the kind of thing we need to find good ways to catch. >> >> Finally, if the book has indices or other extras, I make a >> determination as to whether they can be salvaged. I think I've >> only >> ever deleted one index, which was very nearly garbled beyond >> recognition. >> It was for a very short >> book, and I felt it didn't add much to the book. >> >> As I'm uploading, I review everything that will be visible when the >> book goes into the collection. For instance, I check the short and >> long synopses, title, author, publisher, copyright date, ISBN, and >> the >> selected categories and adult rating etc., to make sure it looks >> good. >> >> I'm not saying I won't miss things, but this is the rough process I >> use. >> >> One of my frustrations is when a scanner uploads a book and marks >> it >> as excellent, and then I open the book and it's clearly not. I >> downloaded one recently where I found lots of missing words or >> garbled >> lines, and I knew I wouldn't be able to correct it easily. I >> simply >> returned the book to step one, as I figured it'd take more effort >> to >> fix it than I felt I could manage. I guess I could see how it >> might >> have gotten an excellent rating, as there were good-sized chunks of >> very readable text, but when it went bad, it was really bad. I'd >> appreciate an honest rating. >> The book probably >> deserved good, which at least would have warned potential >> validators >> that it would require a fair bit of work. >> >> May I ask scanners how they determine whether to rate their >> submissions as good or excellent? >> >> And I'd love to see Bookshare scan the book on initial submission, >> and >> offer a potential rating. Does it do this yet? I know it's >> something >> we've talked about in the past. >> >> Finally, I'd love to see a way to leave a comment as to why a >> validator returned a book to step one. This could include comments >> such as: Frequent Hindi words; not familiar enough to validate ... >> Or >> has lots of pictures that will require interpretation by a sighted >> person ... Or even ... This book has too many errors for me to >> validate at this time. >> >> I hope there's value in some of this. Mostly, it's just me >> thinking >> publicly. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s. >> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:08 PM >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Books rated excellent recently added to >> the >> collection that are really only good >> >> Let me add my 'ditto' to the complaints posted here today about >> books >> entering the collection recently that aren't up to snuff. >> >> I was just crabbing off-list to Grandma Cindy about this last week. >> I've downloaded several books this last month that had just entered >> the collection which had many obvious errors, but were rated >> excellent. I've certainly missed stuff myself when validating, >> even >> though I read through every single book I validate, but the errors >> I >> found in downloaded books were things like chapter after chapter >> with >> "1" >> instead of "I" in the text. >> >> As a validator, I appreciate scanners like Shelley and Mayrie (and >> many >> others) who put in their comments whether or not they've read the >> scan >> through, if they've spell-checked it, stripped headings, verified >> page >> numbers and the like. >> I'm much more likely to download a book from the step 1 list if >> that >> information is available, because I know what to expect and can >> judge >> how much time I will have to allocate to give that book the >> attention >> it might need. >> >> Judy s. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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