[bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of pages
- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:40:25 -0500 (EST)
Jake,
I thought there needed to be a blank line *after* headers, and before
footers. Is this wrong?
So, I thought the page number had to be in the first, or last line, of a
page, and, when it's on the top, be followed by a blank line.
For an example, you could see my validations of The Inimatble Jeeves, or
of The Catcher From Double-A.
How depressing, if I've been doing it wrong all these years.
Tracy
> Hello,
>
> Pratik is correct in that blank lines at the tops and bottoms of pages
> help ensure a high quality HTML file (derived from the DAISY). I am not
> aware of any changes since we last observed that this was accurate. Page
> headers/footers should be the first or last actual text on the page. After
> my signature, I have included the portion of the volunteer manual that
> discusses this.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jake
>
> Jake Brownell
> jakeb@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> 3.3.6 Feel Free To Clean Up Running Headers And Footers
> When a book is uploaded after validation, the Book Is processed by a tool
> which attempts to do four things:
>
> 1.. Identify recurring text at the top and bottom of each page known as
> "running headers and footers"
> 2.. Identify page numbers in the running headers and footers
> 3.. Remove text from running headers and footers
> 4.. Process the page numbers to allow easier navigation of DAISY books
> and include original page numbers in BRF books
> Volunteers can assist this tool by insuring that headers and footers are
> consistent throughout the book.
>
> a.. Capitalization should be used consistently throughout headers and
> footers
> b.. Tabs and spaces should be used consistently throughout headers and
> footers
> c.. Page numbers and text in each header or footer should be on the same
> line
> d.. Page numbers should be separated from text in a header or footer by
> a space or tab
> Note that the text will be removed by the tool if it is consistent, so the
> easiest way to insure that the tool can identify page numbers is to remove
> the text from running headers and footers. This is not only much easier
> for volunteers, but makes the tool's job simpler as well.
>
> If you wish to clean up headers and footers, please do the following for
> each page containing a header or footer:
>
> a.. Make sure that if a page contains a header that the header is the
> first line of text on the page.
> b.. Make sure that if a page contains a footer that the footer is the
> last line of text on the page.
> Note that lines containing punctuation marks or symbols, such as hyphens
> and asterisks, are considered lines of text.
>
> The following will also help prevent issues with page numbers in HTML
> files when creating an HTML file using the Bookshare.org Unpack Tool:
>
> a.. Make sure there is a blank line before headers
> b.. Make sure there is a blank line after footers
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pratik Patel
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:07 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of
> pages
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Based on the confusion, I'll do some tests over the weekend and report
> back.
>
>
>
> Pratik
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guido Corona
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:43 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of
> pages
>
>
>
>
> Allison, the header processor is actually supposed to eat up headers;
> it should then extract page numbers and place them into the DAISY code,
> so that DAISY readers can go to the real page 4456, instead of the
> 456th page from the beginning of the file.
>
> G.
>
>
> Guido Dante Corona
> IBM Research,
> Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC)
> Austin Tx.
> Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
> Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Web: http://www.ibm.com/able
>
> ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who
> were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who
> questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being
> wise."
> [David Poyer, The Command]
>
>
>
>
> "Allison Hilliker" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
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> 01/11/2008 06:06 PM
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> Hi,
>
> I have been a validator for about 3 or 4 years now and really don't pay
> attention to blank line placements, and I've not had any trouble with
> the
> stripper eating my page numbers.
>
> Best,
> Allison
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:14 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of
> pages
>
>
> > How does this no needing of blank lines match up with the need to put
> in
> > blank lines around page breaks and page numbers so that the stripper
> does
> > not remove said page numbers. If I am confused I can only imagine how
> new
> > validators feel. (sigh no grin)
> >
> > E.
> >
> > At 04:02 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
> >>Hi Sue,
> >>
> >>You bring up an important question. Let me clarify what I meant in my
> >>earlier post. Page breaks are absolutely required. That has not
> change.
> >>I
> >>didn't mean to imply otherwise. What Christine was asking about, or
> what
> >>I
> >>believe she was asking about, was whether or not a blank line needed
> to be
> >>included at the beginning and end of every page. These blank lines
> would
> >>be
> >>in addition to any page breaks. These blanks are not necessary. In
> >>short,
> >>the page breaks are required, and the blank lines are not.
> >>
> >>Hope this helps clear things up.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>
> >>Allison Hilliker:
> >>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org).
> >>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>www.bookshare.org
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:37 PM
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom
> of
> >>pages
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Hi Allison,
> >>>
> >>>If this is true, has bookshare changed their policy about page
> breaks? I
> >>>thought they were not accepting books that lacked page breaks.
> >>>
> >>>Best,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Sue S.
> >>>
> >>>----- O
> >>>riginal Message ----- From: "Allison Hilliker"
> <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
> >>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:31 PM
> >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom
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> >>>pages
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi Christine,
> >>>
> >>>A book not having blank lines at the beginning and ends of pages is
> not
> >>>cause for rejection. True, the blanks can be helpful, but they are
> not
> >>>necessary. I verified
> >>>this fact with another Bookshare staff member. I'll also note that
> the
> >>>volunteer manual sets forth no requirements relating to this issue.
> >>>
> >>>Best,
> >>>
> >>>Allison Hilliker:
> >>>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org).
> >>>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>www.bookshare.org
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