Hi Denise and everyone!When I scan books, they are ones I want to read, so I proof as I go along too. Now that I have learned more about what to do when proofing from the manual and this list, I will make my scans as proofreader friendly as I can too. I am caught up in the activity of proofing now, because I am enjoying it so much, but plan to scan the books on my bookshelves when I am in the mood to read them and slow down on the proofing.
Debby At 12:20 PM 11/10/2009, Denise Thompson wrote
Yes, I do scan also and I proof as I scan so I have my proof reading scan turned on and pick up the bolded text, Italic, all caps, etc. It takes longer to proof as I go, but I'm reading the book at the same time so in the long run I figure it's easier to scan, read and proof all at the same time. When I'm done reading the book, I'm ready to submit it also. I try to incorporate everything from the list to make the book pretty much ready for admin approval by the time I submit so for proofers it should be a snap. I'm waiting for some Leigh Greenwood books to arrive and then I'll be scanning again. I've been proofing mostly lately.Denise At 11:34 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:What about whenyou're scanning, or do you not scan? CindyWish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned list available at sites belowWish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+ListBooks Being Scanned List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Denise Thompson <deniset@xxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Denise Thompson <deniset@xxxxxxx> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:29 AM > > > Sounds are already on the computer to create > a sound theme > for Jaws to announce various atributes. I've created a > proof reading > sound skeme that I switch to when I'm proofing in word. > It announces > paragraph marks, new lines, bold text is designated by a > piano middle C > sound and italix is announced by a beep. I had it > saying the font > name and size for a while, but it it started driving me a > little batty so > I cut back on some atributes being announced. I've also > included what > punctuation I want announced when jaws punctuation is set > to most to > include the quotes,' and elipsis. I want to know the > quotes are coming > out right. A lot of times I find the first quote is fine, > but the second > is just an '. I can change it right then. So with very > little effort you > can make jaws conform to whatever attributes you want > spoken. This is > done in the configuration manager under speech or sounds > manager. I can't > remember without looking. When you mess with this you > don't have to worry > about killing your computer or anything like that. > Computers today aren't > that touchy. Besides unless you click on ok and also save > the changes > when you exit configuration manager it just reverts to what > you had > before you changed anything. So if you're uncertain > about something > you've tried to do just exit and say no when it asks if > you want to save > the changes. > > > Denise > > > > > At 10:07 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote: > > I know what > could be a good Idea > have a sound scheme for whenever something is capitalized, > I can take a > recording of a beep or play a high C on trumpet and have > that be the caps > indicator, what do you all think in general? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Friedman" > <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:13 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > > > > > Hi, Chela, > yes, I have noticed > that. That's the only thing about it that > > bugs me. I have compensated for the typing lag in the voice > by raising > the > > rate of the keyboard voice to 60% and that works fine for > me. I'd like > to > > find a way to remedy matters so one can know if a word is > capitalized > in > > some way in an unobtrusive manner, but I don't know > what to do about > this > > one. Regards, Kim Friedman. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [ > mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Chela > Robles > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:03 PM > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > > > You know, real speak voices is one of the ones when I use > JFW > sometimes > > using those voices, doesn't raise the pitch when > capitalizing > something, > > anyone else notice that, at least the neospeech and > eloquence does. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mayrie ReNae" > <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > > > > > Hi Cindy! > > > If I am listening to a book, I can hear bold and italicized > text. The > > pitch of the reading voice is different. And when I > scan a book, > my > > books retain the bold and italics. That's all > just me. There > may be > > folks whose scanning software doesn't preserve bold and > italics, > > though I've never heard of one that stripped > that. But > anything's > > possible. > > > Mayrie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [ > mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Cindy > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:03 PM > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > > > But we don't know when we submit or upload books > whether they're > going > > to be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're > supposed to keep > the > > file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd > retain > italics, > > bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo. > > > When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one > hear > > emphasis when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen > when you > > scan? Or how do you know if words need to be italicized? > The book > I'm > > soon to upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as > I put in > > the breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because > there > are > > a lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to > italics. > > It was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get > this > file. > > How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted > proofer > to > > put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words > or words > > with an odd font? > > > cindy > > Cindy > > > Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and > > books-being-scanned list available at sites below > > > > > > Wish List: > > https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List > > > Books Being Scanned List: > > > https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List > > > > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > From: Bob > <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know, bold and > > italics make no > > difference at all. They may very well be taken out. > > > Bob > > > "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I > believe that all > of > > us will live on in the future we make," > > Senator Edward M. Kennedy > > > ----- Original Message > > ----- From: > > Denise Thompson > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Sent: Sunday, > > November 08, 2009 5:44 > > PM > > Subject: > > [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded > > words in text > > > My question is- does it make a > > difference in Daisy > > to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it? > > I've been changing the > > book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 > because I > though > > that's what > > we've talked about doing on this list before. I > use regular > for > > both. I was > > under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold > or other types > of > > text > > atributes. So now that we're all confused as to > what to do. > Someone > > needs to > > decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed > books that > I've > > done this > > with have been approved by admin so apparently admin > thinks > regular > > text is > > ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it > keeping > changing > > makes it > > difficult for those of us doing proofing. > > > Denise > > > > > At 11:47 AM > > 11/7/2009, you wrote: > > > Monica, you > > make a good point; > > however, I am sure that the request to > change the > entire text of a > > submission to Times Roman 12 is in the > manual. > > > Like you, I always > > change fonts in my chapter titles to a > larger size, > but luckily I > > have made > > a note to that effect when submitting > the book. > > However, it would be very > > easy to do all the work you mention and > not make a > note. > > > I agree with > > the other Lori from a later message that > I have > changed the font > > in order to > > make the text more readable and also to > reduce some > very large > > fonts. > > In future, I will check the fonts of > chapter titles > before making > > a > > universal change. > > > Lori C. > > . > > > > > ----- Original Message > > ----- From: "Monica Willyard" > > <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: > > <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 > > 10:56 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > > > > > > Melissa > > and Lori, please, > > please don't do this as > a principle on > every book. > > I don't think you > > realize that this could do > damage to > someone's submission. > > When I > > submit books, I work very > hard to fix the > fonts so that my > > chapter > > headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and > the > > Bookshare > > tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or > font > > > size to tell > > when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current > > book I'm scanning > > uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and > > log entries when the > > scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New > > Roman. > > > Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are > at > > the bottom of > > the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or > > numbers tells the > > Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter > > or part begins. If you > > change the entire document to 12 point, you > > would unintentionally undo > the > > work I spend a couple of hours doing to > > ensure good daisy navigation > for everyone. > Braille and blind > > speech > > users wouldn't notice. > Our members with > learning disabilities > > would > > though, and I'm doing > everything I can to > make their reading as > > easy > > and pleasurable as ours. > > > I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like > > a lecture. It's not > meant that > > way. I'm pleading with you to learn > > about how fonts work and why > they matter. > I used to do the same > > thing > > as you, changing mine to > Times New Roman > as well. Then Judy and > > Valerie > > came into my life and opened > my eyes and > heart to their needs. > > Since > > then I began paying > attention to the fonts > in my scans before > > submitting them. Now I make > sure the fonts > for chapters are > > correct as > > I strip headers in my > books. > > > This isn't an absolute thing, and it's > > not a show-stopper in the > grand scheme of > things. If you know > > for sure > > that the submitter > hasn't done any work > with the fonts, > > changing the > > font probably won't > matter. If your > screenreader won't speak > > the text > > in Word, you may have to > change it to 12 > point as a base. In > > that case, > > will you please consider > taking the time > to enlarge the font for > > chapter headings to 14 or 16 > point? You > can do that quickly by > > selecting the chapter name > or number and > pressing control right > > bracket > > in Kurzweil or shift control > right bracket > in Word. > > It will > > increase > > the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you > > should hear the > > font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the > > font smaller, by the > > way. > > > It does take extra time to do this. I > > freely admit that. If you > are blind like > me, fonts mean very > > little > > since we can't see them. > Still, I know I'd > want help if > > something was > > causing my Braille books to > read badly, so > I take time to do it > > for > > others who need it. > > > Monica Willyard > > "The best way to predict the > > future is to create > it." -- Peter > Drucker > > > -----Original > > Message----- > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [ > > > > mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Melissa > > Smith > > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM > > To: > > > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words > > in text > > > I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New > > Roman, and 12 > > Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This > > leaves any bold or > > italicized text the way it is. 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