[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:54:21 -0800 (PST)
Not just foreign words, but also names of boats and titles of books and things
that in English classes one learns should b be in italics--smile--but most
importantly, from the point of view of the author, italics indicate words to be
emphasized. That's why I asked if speech readers emphasize words in the course
of reading, and when people use it to scan.; Monica explained nicely what it
does with books that have bold and italics, but what I was wondering was if in
the course of reading sentences without indication of anything a speech machine
would emphasize certain words. When reading a sentence or several, the order
of the words or something sometimes indicates that a particular word should be
emphasized. Sometimes when I've been proofing files that have no italicized
words but it seems seems as if one should be; I check the print book and sure
enough, it is, so I change it. The file book I'm about to upload soon had no
italicized words but I've put
them all in--but am I correct in thinking that a scanner has no way to know if
there are words that should be emphasized and thus would not be able to ask
that a sighted reader proof the book?
Cindy
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--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:00 PM
> Hi Valerie!
>
> Thanks for explaining the importance of bold and italics in
> a book. I wouldn't change them, because, I figure, if
> it was important enough to include such attributes in a
> print book, they are important and should be retained in the
> electronic version.
>
> Debby
>
> At 06:20 PM 11/7/2009, Valerie Maples wrote
> > They are preserved and often helpful. Many of
> the books I am proofing have foreign language in italics,
> and that allows dyslexics and low skill readers to identify
> them purposefully. PLEASE retain scanned bolds and
> italics, they usually serve a function. When I see a trend,
> I note in my submission their purpose. It often alerts
> people to not try to correct when spell-shecking in those
> cases.
> >
> > Running behind, but hope it makes sense...
> >
> > Valerie
> >
> >
> > On 11 07, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Bob wrote:
> >
> >> As far as I know, bold and italics make no
> difference at all. They may very well be taken out.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I
> believe that all of us will live on in the future we make,"
> >> Senator Edward M. Kennedy
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <mailto:deniset@xxxxxxx>Denise
> Thompson
> >>> To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:44 PM
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in
> text
> >>>
> >>> My question is- does it make a difference in
> Daisy to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
> I've been changing the book to TN 23 and then putting the
> chapter in 16 because I though that's what we've talked
> about doing on this list before. I use regular for both. I
> was under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or
> other types of text atributes. So now that we're all
> confused as to what to do. Someone needs to decide what BKS
> wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've done this
> with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks
> regular text is ok. I want to do what is expected, but for
> it keeping changing makes it difficult for those of us doing
> proofing.
> >>>
> >>> Denise
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 11:47 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
> >>>> Monica, you make a good point; however, I
> am sure that the request to change the entire text of a
> submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.
> >>>>
> >>>> Like you, I always change fonts in my
> chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily I have made a
> note to that effect when submitting the book. However, it
> would be very easy to do all the work you mention and not
> make a note.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree with the other Lori from a later
> message that I have changed the font in order to make the
> text more readable and also to reduce some very large
> fonts. In future, I will check the fonts of chapter
> titles before making a universal change.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lori C.
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica
> Willyard" <<mailto:rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:56 PM
> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
> in text
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Melissa and Lori, please, please don't
> do this as a principle on every book.
> >>>>> I don't think you realize that this
> could do damage to someone's submission.
> >>>>> When I submit books, I work very hard
> to fix the fonts so that my chapter
> >>>>> headings are detected more easily both
> by sighted users and the Bookshare
> >>>>> tools. Sighted readers use changes in
> the font face or font size to tell
> >>>>> when the chapter or scene changes in a
> book. The current book I'm scanning
> >>>>> uses the Arial font to indicate a
> chapter name and log entries when the
> >>>>> scene changes. The rest of the text is
> Times New Roman.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Furthermore, in many books I submit,
> the page numbers are at the bottom of
> >>>>> the page. Using a larger font for the
> chapter names or numbers tells the
> >>>>> Bookshare stripper that this is where
> a new chapter or part begins. If you
> >>>>> change the entire document to 12
> point, you would unintentionally undo the
> >>>>> work I spend a couple of hours doing
> to ensure good daisy navigation for
> >>>>> everyone. Braille and blind speech
> users wouldn't notice. Our members with
> >>>>> learning disabilities would though,
> and I'm doing everything I can to make
> >>>>> their reading as easy and pleasurable
> as ours.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound
> like a lecture. It's not meant that
> >>>>> way. I'm pleading with you to learn
> about how fonts work and why they
> >>>>> matter. I used to do the same thing as
> you, changing mine to Times New Roman
> >>>>> as well. Then Judy and Valerie came
> into my life and opened my eyes and
> >>>>> heart to their needs. Since then I
> began paying attention to the fonts in my
> >>>>> scans before submitting them. Now I
> make sure the fonts for chapters are
> >>>>> correct as I strip headers in my
> books.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
> not a show-stopper in the grand
> >>>>> scheme of things. If you know for sure
> that the submitter hasn't done any
> >>>>> work with the fonts, changing the font
> probably won't matter. If your
> >>>>> screenreader won't speak the text in
> Word, you may have to change it to 12
> >>>>> point as a base. In that case, will
> you please consider taking the time to
> >>>>> enlarge the font for chapter headings
> to 14 or 16 point? You can do that
> >>>>> quickly by selecting the chapter name
> or number and pressing control right
> >>>>> bracket in Kurzweil or shift control
> right bracket in Word. It will increase
> >>>>> the point size each time you press the
> keystroke, and you should hear the
> >>>>> font size when it changes. The left
> bracket makes the font smaller, by the
> >>>>> way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It does take extra time to do this. I
> freely admit that. If you are blind
> >>>>> like me, fonts mean very little since
> we can't see them. Still, I know I'd
> >>>>> want help if something was causing my
> Braille books to read badly, so I take
> >>>>> time to do it for others who need it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Monica Willyard
> >>>>> "The best way to predict the future is
> to create it." -- Peter Drucker
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From:
> >>>>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> [ mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Melissa Smith
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31
> PM
> >>>>> To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
> words in text
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I select the whole document, and set
> the font to Times New Roman, and 12
> >>>>> Point. I leave alone the box that has
> the style. This leaves any bold or
> >>>>> italicized text the way it is. I do
> this in every book I proof.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Melissa
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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