[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:00:46 -0500
Denise, I'm laughing now because I do the same thing with my books. I read
on the Book Port with no awareness of fonts. Either that, or I convert them
to mp3 files with Kurzweil or Text Aloud and put them on the Maestro. I
didn't even know about preserving page breaks when I started scanning. I
distinctly remember getting annoyed with someone who asked me to stop
changing fonts a couple of years ago. I didn't know Bookshare had any
sighted users back then and had decided the guy who asked me about it was
just being picky. I was kind of sassy to him and blew off his request. I had
to eat my words later when I understood why he asked. I'm still blushing
over that one and am glad he accepted my apology. (smile)
Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Thompson
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:36 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
I haven't been keeping any bolding because until this whole discussion, I
was unaware it was important to do so. I didn't think the Daisy format kept
it. And I wouldn't know the difference in a book I proofed converted to
Daisy because I just listen to it and in the daisy form it just reads. It
sounds exactly the same in daisy as it sounds in RTF or a Text format.
Actually right now I don't listen in daisy I convert to text and transfer
the book to my cell phone to listen to so basically for me to scan and
retain all this and proof and maintain fonts, etc is only because that's
what is expected of volunteers. I wreck it all and convert back to text to
listen to the books. It sounds exactly the same either way in daisy or text.
Denise
At 01:46 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
Hi Denise. If you're a Bookshare member, it might be helpful to look at a
couple of the books you've proofread in their daisy form. Then you can see
what they look like and how well your chapter navigation is working. The
Bookshare tool is supposed to retain bolding of text. I try to leave it
intact when possible since sighted users have said they need it to easily
spot key concepts in books. I'm primarily a submitter, and I do my best to
fix the fonts before submission so the proofreader can just focus on the
text itself.
I think what you're doing is fine though. It sounds like you're already
doing a lot to take care of your books. It's a pleasure to see someone who
is working so carefully. (smile)
I like your idea about adding quotes to your JAWS punctuation list. I'm
going to do that too. It's something that never occurred to me. I'm going to
dig into the Kurzweil manual and see if I can do it there too. Thanks for
sharing such a helpful idea.
Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
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mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:45 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
My question is- does it make a difference in Daisy to have text in bold or
italix. Does Daisy keep it? I've been changing the book to TN 23 and then
putting the chapter in 16 because I though that's what we've talked about
doing on this list before. I use regular for both. I was under the
impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of text atributes. So
now that we're all confused as to what to do. Someone needs to decide what
BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've done this with have
been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks regular text is ok. I want
to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing makes it difficult for
those of us doing proofing.
Denise
At 11:47 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
Monica, you make a good point; however, I am sure that the request to change
the entire text of a submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.
Like you, I always change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but
luckily I have made a note to that effect when submitting the book. However,
it would be very easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.
I agree with the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the
font in order to make the text more readable and also to reduce some very
large fonts. In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before
making a universal change.
Lori C.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:56 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
Melissa and Lori, please, please don't do this as a principle on every book.
I don't think you realize that this could do damage to someone's submission.
When I submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my chapter
headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the Bookshare
tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font size to tell
when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current book I'm scanning
uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and log entries when the
scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New Roman.
Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at the bottom of
the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or numbers tells the
Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter or part begins. If you
change the entire document to 12 point, you would unintentionally undo the
work I spend a couple of hours doing to ensure good daisy navigation for
everyone. Braille and blind speech users wouldn't notice. Our members with
learning disabilities would though, and I'm doing everything I can to make
their reading as easy and pleasurable as ours.
I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like a lecture. It's not meant that
way. I'm pleading with you to learn about how fonts work and why they
matter. I used to do the same thing as you, changing mine to Times New Roman
as well. Then Judy and Valerie came into my life and opened my eyes and
heart to their needs. Since then I began paying attention to the fonts in my
scans before submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
correct as I strip headers in my books.
This isn't an absolute thing, and it's not a show-stopper in the grand
scheme of things. If you know for sure that the submitter hasn't done any
work with the fonts, changing the font probably won't matter. If your
screenreader won't speak the text in Word, you may have to change it to 12
point as a base. In that case, will you please consider taking the time to
enlarge the font for chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that
quickly by selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control right
bracket in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word. It will increase
the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you should hear the
font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the font smaller, by the
way.
It does take extra time to do this. I freely admit that. If you are blind
like me, fonts mean very little since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd
want help if something was causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take
time to do it for others who need it.
Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
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[ mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Smith
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New Roman, and 12
Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This leaves any bold or
italicized text the way it is. I do this in every book I proof.
Melissa
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