[bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them?

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  • Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:28:00 -0500

Hi Guido,

In the word find field enter a ^b to search for section breaks. If you find them, which I kind of doubt you will since the books are meant to be viewed on a computer screen, you can replace them with ^m for a normal page break. I say a normal page break, as that's what MS in its infinite wisdom decided to use when they pushed rtf. I don't know why they felt the need to move away from the old ASCII standard page break of ^l, but that's MS for you. On another note look at all the folks that missed you when you weren't here! It makes me think of that country western song, "How can I miss you when you won't go away."

Dave

At 04:09 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:

That's entirely possible Prat. How do we check for 'section breaks' in MS Word / JFW? G.


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There appears to be some inconsistency on how books derive their page numbers. Not all books have correct page breaks. I just downloaded two books for comparison purposes. One had no hard page breaks, the other, had some hard page breaks and other soft breaks. Guido, the version you downloaded, how many sections does Word report having in that file? I suspect that that particular book probably has the infamous section breaks that FR is so fond of inserting instead of hard page breaks. That probably is the reason why Kurzweil 1000 decided not to like those pages too.

Prat


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The book I downloaded had hard page breaks for the front pages up to the first chapter, then soft page breaks for most of the rest (maybe some hard page breaks between chapters). As I understand it, the bookshare software does not recognize soft page breaks (actually, I don't think soft page breaks exist in the file, I think word just puts them in on the fly).

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Hi Guido,
Are some of the page breaks hard ones and some soft perhaps? What does it
look like when you use Control+Shift+8 and use JAWS to look at the
character codes for the page breaks?

Jim

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All,  I have just downloaded:


                 1812: The Rivers of War by Eric Flint,


from the Baen Free library site in unzipped RTF format.  The book contains
a valid copyright notice, an ISBN,  specifies that this is a mass market
edition--meaning it is the etext of a paperback, and it appears to sport
page breaks of some kind.    MS Word reports a total of 411 pages,   while
Kurzweil 1000 reports just under 250 pages.  I suspect that the document
may not use standard page breaks for pagination.  If this were the case,
             some editors may not detect page breaks at all.


                                 Guido



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Ok, with all this talk I am just curious about how we would go about
submitting them.  The Baen books I have read none of them had page breaks
or
page numbers and no Copyright info included.

Is this something that Jim and the Bookshare staff are going to work on?

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