Yes, but that sort of typifies my point, why did they feel obliged to change something to non standard for rich text format when in ASCII text format which has been around since teletypes were introduced, a ^l was a page break?
Dave At 07:32 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
Hi, ^l is a soft line break in Word. Jim James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead talmage@xxxxxxxxx m Sent by: To bksvol-discuss-bo bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx unce@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc g Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books 01/07/2008 05:28 again - how do we submit them? PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss@fr eelists.org Hi Guido, In the word find field enter a ^b to search for section breaks. If you find them, which I kind of doubt you will since the books are meant to be viewed on a computer screen, you can replace them with ^m for a normal page break. I say a normal page break, as that's what MS in its infinite wisdom decided to use when they pushed rtf. I don't know why they felt the need to move away from the old ASCII standard page break of ^l, but that's MS for you. On another note look at all the folks that missed you when you weren't here! It makes me think of that country western song, "How can I miss you when you won't go away." Dave At 04:09 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: >That's entirely possible Prat. How do we check for 'section breaks' >in MS Word / JFW? G. > > >Guido Dante Corona >IBM Research, >Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) >Austin Tx. >Phone: 512. 838. 9735. >Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx >Web: <http://www.ibm.com/able>http://www.ibm.com/able > >". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right >who were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those >who questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being wise." >[David Poyer, The Command] > > > >"Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> >Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >01/07/2008 02:54 PM >Please respond to >bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To ><bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >cc >Subject >[bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? > > > > >There appears to be some inconsistency on how books derive their >page numbers. Not all books have correct page breaks. I just >downloaded two books for comparison purposes. One had no hard page >breaks, the other, had some hard page breaks and other soft >breaks. Guido, the version you downloaded, how many sections does >Word report having in that file? I suspect that that particular >book probably has the infamous section breaks that FR is so fond of >inserting instead of hard page breaks. That probably is the reason >why Kurzweil 1000 decided not to like those pages too. > >Prat > > >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[<mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:bksvol-discuss- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]>On Behalf Of Michael Sestak >Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:43 PM >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? > >The book I downloaded had hard page breaks for the front pages up to >the first chapter, then soft page breaks for most of the rest (maybe >some hard page breaks between chapters). As I understand it, the >bookshare software does not recognize soft page breaks (actually, I >don't think soft page breaks exist in the file, I think word just >puts them in on the fly). > >Misha >----- Original Message ---- >From: "james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Monday, January 7, 2008 9:50:35 AM >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books again - how do we submit them? > >Hi Guido, >Are some of the page breaks hard ones and some soft perhaps? What does it >look like when you use Control+Shift+8 and use JAWS to look at the >character codes for the page breaks? > >Jim > >James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., ><mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 > >"Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the >world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead > > > > > "Guido Corona" > <<mailto:guidoc@xxxxxxxxx>guidoc@xxxxxxxxx > > m> To > Sent > by: > <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > bksvol-discuss-bo cc > <mailto:unce@xxxxxxxxxxxx>unce@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > g Subject > [bksvol-discuss] Re: Baen books > again - how do we submit them? > 01/07/2008 11:01 > AM > > > Please respond to > bksvol-discuss@fr > <http://eelists.org/>eelists.org > > > > > > > > >All, I have just downloaded: > > > 1812: The Rivers of War by Eric Flint, > > >from the Baen Free library site in unzipped RTF format. The book contains >a valid copyright notice, an ISBN, specifies that this is a mass market >edition--meaning it is the etext of a paperback, and it appears to sport >page breaks of some kind. MS Word reports a total of 411 pages, while >Kurzweil 1000 reports just under 250 pages. I suspect that the document >may not use standard page breaks for pagination. If this were the case, > some editors may not detect page breaks at all. > > > Guido > > > >Guido Dante Corona >IBM Research, >Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) >Austin Tx. >Phone: 512. 838. 9735. >Email: <mailto:guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx>guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx >Web: <http://www.ibm.com/able>http://www.ibm.com/able > >". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who >were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who >questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being wise." >[David Poyer, The Command] > > > >"Dan Beaver" ><<mailto:dbeaver888@xxxxxxxxx>dbeaver888@xxxxxxxxx> > >Sent by: To >bksvol-discuss-bounce@freelist ><<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ><http://s.org/>s.org >cc > > Subject >01/07/2008 07:59 AM [bksvol-discuss] Baen books > again - how do we submit them? > > Please respond to > <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > >Ok, with all this talk I am just curious about how we would go about >submitting them. The Baen books I have read none of them had page breaks >or >page numbers and no Copyright info included. > >Is this something that Jim and the Bookshare staff are going to work on? > >To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to><mailto:bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-request @freelists.org>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of >available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > > > >To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to><mailto:bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-request @freelists.org>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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