[bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading Accessibility

  • From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:56:10 -0500

It has always been something of a problem for me. That is why I always thought of it as normal unless it is made apparent to me that others are not having aproblem hearing when I can't. I have no speech problem. "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony 


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading Accessibility 



Roger, b4 we get too exotic here, u might wish to get your ears
tested. This is often symptom #1 when people begin simply losing their
ability to hear various auditory frequencies. As we were taught in
various diagnosis classes, when u hear hoofbeats, think horses first
as opposed to zebras. Certainly losing the ability to hear certain
frequencies is considerably more common than dysphasia, aphasia,
central auditory processing disorder, etc. Rule out the common first,
then look to the less common if the more frequent stuff doesn't fit.

dysphasia &/or aphasia is also associated w/speech difficulties, so
this may or may not be applicable.

On 12/15/09, Chela Robles <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Roger you're dysphasic like I probably that describes me too. I was
diagnosed with dysphasia:
Impairment of speech and verbal comprehension, especially when associated
with brain injury. Was diagnosed with it since I was 6 years old I actually made a research paper for college if anyone is interested yo included Roger 
for your curiosity as well perhaps.

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look out, because everyone will know!"
Today, I find myself constantly saying those words, just to get myself
going, to not give up, and it works. Since I learned to play the trumpet at the tender age of 10, I have spent so much passion and much diligence with that instrument that I will not give up on it. Sometimes my instrument puts 
me into awkward situations where I feel like they won't ever end, but the
trumpet gives me a lot of hope with the majestic, crystal-clear sound it
brings to my ears.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading
Accessibility



For those of you who know something about audio processing disorders I
wonder if you can make a guess as to whether I have one. I do not have a
problem understanding synthetic voices or any of the talking book
narrators, but I seem to have a problem understanding a person talking
when there is back ground noise. I do not necessarily mean loudness, but
that is a definite problem. I mean even soft sounds like elevator music in 

the background. I have a very difficult time having a conversation with
someone on a city sidewalk. I have to keep asking for the speaker to
repeat her or himself and I have noticed that some people become annoyed
with me. This is a problem I have always had and for the most part I have not thought about it being abnormal, but when no one else seems to have a 
problem understanding someone in the exact same environment I have
sometimes wondered. The best way I can describe it is to say that it seems 

to me that the background noise is as important as what I am trying to
listen to and it is a conscious effort on my part to ignore it.
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do
because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B.
Anthony

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Valerie Maples" <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder and Reading
Accessibility


Dear Monica;
Just like so many areas in health care, there are a wide range of variance 

in people who have auditory processing disorders. I certainly don't know
what is considered typical, I just know about the spectrum they can cover.
The new Acapello voices are far superior for most people. I think you will 

be pleased with the investment.

Unfortunately I am in no position to site I have read things as my
computers are in total upheaval. I can only speak to my 2 children who
were identified as having auditory processing disorders and the fact that they could not follow commands by earlier speech devices using DECtalk and 

I was told that that was common. I know that many individuals with
auditory processing disorders could not retain information presented in
SAPI 4 voices and then he still can only use some of the SAPI 5 voices.
Sorry I cannot be of more help.  I know more about solutions then the
research behind them. Smiles.

Valerie


On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Monica Willyard wrote:


Hi Valerie. I'm probably an odd exception to the auditory processing
disorder group. I don't know what is typical, and I'm learning more about 

it
as I go. I was only correctly diagnosed this year, as an adult. Like
Nicole,
I like the new Acapella voice Bookshare gives us and would love to have
all
of my devices and programs use that voice, especially JAWS. I'm going to 
buy
it for my computer as soon as I can afford it.

You mentioned that people with auditory processing disorder don't
recognize
TTS speech as sound. That confuses me a little. Do you have any books or 
web
sites you could recommend about this? If there is no information on
Bookshare, I will look for a couple of books to scan about it. I seem to 
be
backward if this is normal. Then again, I'm blind too, so maybe normal
isn't
really applicable.

I do well using specific types of speech, and there are some human
readers I
can barely comprehend. My inability to understand certain readers makes
those books inaccessible for me unless I scan them for myself. That's
something champions of audiobooks probably don't really understand. I
look
at the name of the narrator of a book or listen to a sample of the speech 
before even considering buying it from Audible.

I like books that are in a text format so I can use a voice that I
understand clearly. I prefer Braille if I can get it. If not, I need a
fairly constant, very clear, and unaccented voice to cope with reading.
When
I have to use a device with a confusing voice, I use my computer to
record
books into mp3 files using a voice that I do understand well. Then I put 
my
good files on the bad device and can function well.

Knowing what I'm dealing with, and that it will benefit our deaf/blind
members as well, I usually end up scanning books I want to read from NLS 
unless they have the book in WebBraille. I often end up scanning my
Audible
books too, especially ones that I want to learn from or read in depth.

Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker

-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:18 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a Library

I have to agree with Judy. As a matter of fact, Nichole would never
listen
to a synthetic voice until the acapella voices that are now available on 
her
device. I don't know anyone who prefers TTS over audio books and most are 
more than willing to pay for the alternative. The only people who learn
to
accept TTS are those who need a wider range of books or budget
constraints
make the other alternative unaffordable. Then there are people with
auditory
processing disorders who do not even acknowledge TTS as speech as it is
processed slightly differently in the brain.

In my opinion we need to constantly be exploring and expanding all
mediums
all of text accessibility and in a cooperative effort like Bookshare, I
think that everyone comes out winners. I know that even though I have a
membership now I will probably almost exclusively be a volunteer due to
time
constraints, but being a member will allow me to check how certain things are handled in the final process or view how proofreaders have handled my 
scans.

Interesting dialogue everyone...
Valerie



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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On

Behalf Of Judy s.
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:39 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a Library

I view the disabling of TTS as about as silly as the digital
rights management.


<snip>

I don't know a single sighted person, other than myself, who will
willingly listen to listen to a book that they can read by
listening to it in a synthetic voice.  Me?  I can't afford
expensive audible downloads, and the NLS's offerings are very
limited in my tastes, so listening to books via bookshare
downloads using either DAISY or Text Aloud has become an acquired
taste, one I've become used to and actually very much enjoy.

If sighted readers were the least bit interested in hearing books
read with a synthetic voice, I suspect the market would be
flooded with that sort of book.  Why?  It is much cheaper for a
book publisher to produce that en masse than it is to hire a
professional reader and studio to produce the master for each and
every book that becomes an audible book.

I really doubt that sales of human-read audible books would waver
one whit if ebooks had TTS enabled. It would expand the market of
ebooks available to the sighted/disabled reader, but that's about it.

Just my opinion.  Grin.

Judy s.




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