I just checked in the revamped volunteer manual on-line, and in the
updated tips section it says that the Bookshare converter does not
correctly translate the dagger character (which Bookshare calls a
footnotes cross).
A list that's a lot more comprehensive than what I recall seeing last
time I checked, of whether or not a special character translates, is at:
https://www.bookshare.org/cms/get-involved/volunteer/my-volunteer-home/scanning-and-proofreading/tips-scanning-proofing/tips
Judy s.
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On 2/3/2016 11:52 AM, Evan Reese wrote:
Well, as I said, it is very unlikely that the braille translator knows what the character for the dagger is, so it may come out in the brf file as something strange, or it may not come out at all. That’s what happens to characters it doesn’t recognize.
Evan
*From:* Cindy Rosenthal <mailto:grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 11:21 PM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Asterisks, Daggers in Footnotes
I'll be proofing Rik's book ( when I've finished what I'm working on mow (and if no one else takes i; I told him not to put a hold for me because I have other stuff to do first ( so if any of you can get teh print book ( he'd probably be willing to mail it to you; he offered to send it to me but I can get it from library) and want to proof it feel free ( it's a paperback of 384 pages (illustrated, and with footnotes)
When I googled to find the dagger symbol ( because Rik said it appears in teh book) I found that one shouldn't use 2 asterisk for a second footnote (That was my initial thought, too) I don't know whence this rule ( if it is a rule) came; nor do I remember if it was part of a Wikipedia article or something someone posted, or
if someone found it in/Elements of Style
/
//anyway, apparently the rule?" is to use an asterisk for one footnote and a dagger for the second, and then a double dagger if there is a third ( or more?
I found t the keystroke combination *( at least i word and on my mac) is Option letter t for a dagger and , shift 7 for the double dagger
Cindy
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Rick,
Two asterisks for the dagger is what I do. I just finished
scanning a book but haven’t started reading yet that has more than
one footnote on several pages and two asterisks is what I’m
changing the dagger to..
Evan
*From:* ohio1803@xxxxx <mailto:ohio1803@xxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 4:10 PM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Asterisks, Daggers in Footnotes
*Okay, Evan brought it up in a discussion thread about asterisks.*
*But this DOES bring up for me and indeed go back, as he suggests
to the subject of how we at Bookshare do Footnotes.*
**
*I am working on scanning a book.*
*I am done with scanning and am currently editing the footnote
stuff for it, preparing for submission very soon.*
**
*This book has used a single asterisk. After a period in the text,
and at the bottom of the page for the beginning of the Footnote.*
*Nice and easy. *
*An open bracket [ goes in front of the asterisk on the bottom of
page and the close bracket at close of the footnote. ]*
*Right?*
**
*Now.*
*But here is where I ask you.*
*When there IS a 2nd footnote on the page.*
*In the book, they use a Single dagger for the footnote marker. *
*My scan of the book identified it as an f or a t.*
**
*So NOW **I am just at the point where I am planning to replace
each of those with the character of the single dagger.*
**
*I did read in the past in the volunteer manual about using the
two asterisks instead.*
*In other words, replacing daggers with 2 asterisks. *
*But that manual I am not sure if that is STILL the desired
practice or not.*
**
*So Madeline, and others if you can reply, and advise.*
*Which do you want me to do?*
**
*I will watch and wait before I proceed.*
**
*At this point in my project I have them still as a character t up
in the text and down at the footnote.*
**
*Yes this business it can be a quagmire. But such cozy company we
all make, don’t you think? (smile.)*
**
*Thanks.*
*Rik*
**
*From:* Evan Reese <mailto:mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 2, 2016 11:08 AM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Asterisks
Thanks Madeleine.
Okay, so in the case of the book that Judy was asking about, this
Christmas in Michigan book, which I scanned, and Lissi proofread,
has a holly leaf at the beginning of each recipe. So then one
asterisk would be used in that situation?
And, (since I know this question is going to come up on the
Volunteer list almost immediately), some books do actually use
three asterisks, or three bullets, to indicate change of scene.
Are we supposed to remove two out of three of those asterisks, or
replace the three bullets with just one asterisk?
Oh boy! What a quagmire! Almost as bad as the one on how to handle
footnotes.
Evan
Evan
*From:* Madeleine Linares <mailto:Madeleinel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:54 PM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Asterisks
Hi everyone,
I’m so sorry for the all of the confusion that asterisks have
caused. I have met with our Collection Development team to come up
with one rule that both volunteers, vendors, and staff will follow
from now on.
Asterisks should only be used to show a break in the text. One
single asterisk may be used to show a very large break, a doodad,
or decorative object in the text used to show a new speaker, a
change of scene, etc. It should not be used to separate chapter
titles from the text, whether or not they start partway down the
page or don’t have the word “chapter” in front of them.
There may be exceptions to this rule, but please contact me or the
collection development team before guessing.
As always, we are dedicated to making sure that Bookshare
volunteers, staff, and vendors are on the same page (heh, sorry)
with instructions. We want to make the process as consistent as
possible so that we ensure the highest quality books for our
members. We take into account changes in the conversion process,
better understanding of our reading tools and members’ wishes, as
well as copyright law when making this kind of decision.
Best,
Madeleine Linares
Volunteer Coordinator
Bookshare, a Benetech Initiative
650-644-3459 <tel:650-644-3459>
volunteer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:volunteer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
