Gerald, I think you need that chocolate you mentioned to me--or maybe it's me. Maybe I need the cocolate. Your first and second sentences confuse me; they seem contradictory. My understanding is that only BRF and Ark--or is it KES?--that have to be uploaded in their original form. TXT and DOC can both be uploaded as rtf files, I believe, though I may be wrong. I thought I had that note saved in my bookshare instructions but now I can't find it. Cindy --- Gerald Hovas <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Shannon, > > All books are uploaded in RTF after validation with > the possible exception > of TXT. If I remember correctly, Bookshare can > handle upload of TXT files > as RTF since RTF, or Rich Text Format, is a TXT, or > text file, with text > commands for specifying formatting. In other words, > RTF files are nothing > more than text files with cryptic commands scattered > throughout the text > that provide formatting information. > > KES, ARK, and DOC files all have to be converted to > RTF before uploading > them in order for the Bookshare tools to be able to > understand them and > process them correctly (or incorrectly depending on > how the Stripper feels > that day <Smile>). > > Now that I think about it, BRF files may be an > exception as well. You'll > have to ask someone else who validates the > occasional BRF file about that, > though. > > Should you have rejected your Papa book? If you are > positive that the page > breaks are missing, then you can reject it because > Bookshare will not accept > it like it is. You also have the option of going to > the added trouble of > adding the page breaks back into the book. > Sometimes you can tell where > they should be located because of the page > numbering, but most of the time > it requires a copy of the book. You also have the > third option of releasing > it to allow someone else the option of adding the > page breaks if you think > that the book is a popular book and someone might > want to go to the trouble > of salvaging it. If you do release it, then it > would be nice if you'd tell > the list about the problem, like you did. That way > others have an idea of > what the problem is with the book since there's no > other way of > communicating the problem to other volunteers. If > you do release it, and > you spot it still lingering on the download list a > couple of months later, > then you'd probably want to go ahead and reject it > at that point to keep it > from continuing to clutter up the list. > > It's really a matter of what you're comfortable with > doing. As you probably > read earlier, Sarah rejected Brain by Robin Cook > earlier today because of > missing page breaks. > > HTH > > Gerald > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of Shannon A. Reece > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:21 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ariella Papa again > > > Okay Gerald thank you for the answers to both my > queries. The book I > validated and accepted before getting the Papa was > .rtf and had such obvious > page breaks that I sensed something was wrong with > the Papa book. > But now I have one more, based on your message > below. > You said: > The trick is to open the tXT file with Word then > immediately save it as RTF > or a .DOC file. until you're ready to upload. At > that time, it should be > saved as an RTF file anyway. > > But isn't the book supposed to be uploaded in the > original format that it > was downloaded in? So in the case of the > troublesome Papa book, doesn't it > have to be in .txt upon upload since it was .txt > when I downloaded it? > > And also, should I have rejected the book instead of > releasing it if I had > the strong sense that the page numbers were not in > that file? > The last thing I want to do is give Gustavo, or any > validator, grief by > doing something wrong. > Thanks again! > Confusedly yours, > Shannon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Hovas > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:33 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ariella Papa again > > > Hello again, > > TXT files are notorious for not having page > breaks. If I remember > correctly, Word doesn't handle TXT files properly > and removes all the page > breaks when you save the file as TXT. The trick is > to open the tXT file > with Word then immediately save it as RTF or a .DOC > file. until you're ready > to upload. At that time, it should be saved as an > RTF file anyway. The > only reason I know of to convert to a .DOC file > instead of to RTF right away > is that .DOC allows you to spell check the document > in multiple sessions > without losing your progress and having to start > over from the beginning. > Most people don't worry about that, though, and just > go ahead and convert to > RTF right away. > > It sounds like the page breaks were probably > missing in the original file > that you downloaded, though, which will mean an > automatic rejection unless > someone can find a copy of the book and add them to > the file. > > HTH > > Gerald > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of Shannon A. Reece > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:21 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Ariella Papa again > > > Okay, it's me, the pesky newbie full of questions, > again!I just released > back to the download pool the book by Ariella Papa, > called Bundle of Joy. > the reason I did this was because to my way of > thinking, the book did not > look like it had page breaks, but I readily admit to > being too much of a > newbie at this to say for sure. So I released it so > that someone with more > knowledge than me could look at it. but was this > the best way I could have > done it, or would it be better to reject it with my > comments? The book I > just validated and accepted had obvious page breaks, > but this one looked > like most of the pagebreaks happened when Word, > (it's a .txt book I looked > at in Word)), had a full page, not when there would > be an actual page. At > the beginning and end of this book, there were quite > obvious breaks, which > is why I felt most of them were missing. Any advice > on how to handle this > kind of thing better in the future? > Sorry for all the silly questions and any help or > suggestions would be > highly appreciated. > Shannon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.