[bksvol-discuss] Re: Another "Castle of Adventure" Problem
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:58:46 -0700
I'm glad you feel better. But do you realize that you're going to confuse
tons of folks who use only speech and only hear apostrophe announced,
whatever the technical mark is? It's good for us to be educated, and I'm
glad to know what a sighted person sees, so appreciate the info, but it
would have been really helpful if you had included an explanation of what
screen readers are going to announce, and what braille will display.
If folks get confused, will you please explain for them?
Mayrie
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I have been restraining myself from indulging in pedantry, but just now I
decided to let myself go. Those British quotation marks are not apostrophes.
They are quotation marks. In fact, the closing quotation marks are upside
down in relation to the opening quotation marks just like in the American
usage. That means that only one of them is indistinguishable from an
apostrophe when found alone. The only difference between British quotation
marks and American quotation marks is that the British use single quotation
marks for the main quotation and double quotation marks for internal
quotations while Americans use double quotation marks for the main quotation
and single quotation marks for the internal quotations. If there is a
quotation within the internal quotation the quotation mark for the main
quotation is reverted to in both British and American usage and for each
further level of internal quotation they alternate. The apostrophe, even
though it looks like one of those single quotation marks, is an entirely
different punctuation and is used in an entirely different way. Now that I
have relieved myself with that outburst of pedantry I feel better.
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[bksvol-discuss] Re: Another "Castle of Adventure" Problem
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Hi Ilene,
Cindy recommended accurately about the dashes. You did right.
Without changing those as you did, they wouldn't have represented properly
in braille. And I checked, in case you're wondering, before pushing for
this very technique, and it is something done by printers that is optional,
converting the em dashes (as the long dashes are called) to double hyphens
and removing spaces around them.
I know it sounds like walking a very fine line about what to change and what
not to, but here has always been my thinking. If the em dashes are not
converted to double hyphens and the spaces around them removed, they will
represent inacccurately in braille. I advocate for childrens' books being
as accurate as possible, as we do not want to teach, even by example,
children improper braille. So, I fix those things. In the matter of
apostrophes in British-printed books, this is also correct, and should be
left alone.
I know it seems a little arbitrary, but it's what I think.
Mayrie
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Now that we're talking about changing things, I think I changed something
perhaps best left alone, but hope it is not fatal and almost thought of
keeping quiet.
Cindy mentioned that you could take dashes and replace with two hyphens, and
also remove the spaces around them. I did this for the entire book, but
hey, that may be the way it should have stayed, with the dashes intact and
spaced. So now what? I really don't see myself doing this all over again.
But i can leave the dashes alone in the rest of the books in this series.
Ilene
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