[bksvol-discuss] Re: Adult content, please read, please?

From: Laura Shannon <brighteyes324@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 00:51:30 -0400
When I think back to books that I read in Middle School, it seems that
there is some feeling here they should be marked "adult content" for
Bookshare. I would disagree. The Catcher in the Rye comes to mind as the
best example, a book I read for English Class when I was thirteen. It
contains some vulgar language and dark concepts, but I would not consider
that it be marked "adult content" and completely restricted to minors.

There is a vast difference between what we would consider inappropriate for
a 6 yr old and inappropriate for a 13 yr old. Ultimately, the decision
would rest with the parents of the minor child. They know their child best,
and what they would be able to handle in that regard.

It seems though, that a book that is to be kept separate, or in what used
to be called a "back room" by a Bookstore, then Bookshare would have to
adhere to those same standards and mark it adult content. I could be
mistaken there though.

Roger's suggestion would seem to help everyone concerned. A simple short
description of any questionable content would offer a guideline to be used
by both those downloading and parents deciding what is suitable for their
child. Just my opinion on the subject.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Lorri Romesberg <LorriAnn7@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> I am new here so I don't have much knowledge of the system. My daughter is
> 11 and has just joined Bookshare though. While I monitor her TV and movies
> pretty closely, I am generally happy if she chooses to read any book since
> she has dyslexia. Generally she is not capable of reading books that may be
> appropriate for her age and it hasn't been much of a problem. With
> Bookshare she is able to check out books that may interest her and the
> program enables her to access books that would usually be over her age
> level. Thus leading to more problems.
>
> It is my understanding that she does not have access to books with "adult
> content" from her membership. While I am not too concerned about her
> learning more about adult topics I would hate, for example, for her to
> accidentally download The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo since obviously those
> graphic rape scenes would be traumatic to a prepubescent girl.
>
> The system is very subjective and obviously parents still need to monitor
> their children. It is my hope that the adult content designation will allow
> my daughter more independence while not traumatizing her though.
>
> The inclusion of one or two curse words is something we could quibble
> about but is not a big concern of mine. We discuss when these words are
> used and when they are not appropriate. It could be more of a problem for
> an 8 year old I imagine.
>
> Lorri
>
> On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Okay, my first line got stripped away for this message again. Here it is
> with the first line restored:
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> > Nimit, you have already solved your own problem. When you start reading
> a book that is distasteful to you you stop reading it and delete it. That
> is your choice and you have made that choice. When you ask other
> > people to censor books before you can find out that you have a distaste
> for them, though, you are asking people to make your choices for you and to
> take
> > your choice away from you. There are some words that I have a distaste
> for myself. Those words are usually racist or sexist terms or are other
> words that
> > display bigotry. Sometimes I actually cringe when I come across such
> words. However, if someone tried to prevent me from encountering them I
> would be extremely
> > resentful. If someone else decided for me what words I should be allowed
> to be exposed to without my having an input I would be more offended than I
> would
> > be if I encountered the words themselves. As long as books that are
> marked as containing adult content are prohibited from being accessed by
> anyone I even
> > oppose the adult designation at all and I would remove any adult
> designation on a book that I was proofreading. If the designation was there
> for informational
> > purposes only, though, then that would be a different matter because you
> could see the designation and simply decide for yourself whether to
> download it
> > or not. I am not sure that such a designation is necessary though.
> Notwithstanding miscategorization, if a book is listed in the children's
> category and
> > not in other categories then it should be safe to assume that the book
> is not written for adults and if a book is not in the childrens category
> then it
> > should be assumed that it is written with adults in mind. In any case,
> there is never a guarantee that you will like any book before you start
> reading
> > it and you should not expect that other people should take
> responsibility for deciding that you are going to like a book or not. You
> can read reviews.
> > You can listen to literary discussions. You can look to see what
> category a book is listed in. There are a number of ways to get a pretty
> good idea of
> > whether you will like a book before you start reading it, but you will
> never know for sure until you actually start reading it. Once you do start
> reading
> > and if you decide that it is not for you then you can just stop reading
> and you have already said that is what you do. Similarly, if I run into one
> of
> > those words that make me cringe I can stop reading myself and I have run
> into them on many occasions. Guess what? It has never harmed me. Sometimes
> I might
> > become a bit angry or disgusted or feel some other unpleasant emotion,
> but I have never been harmed. If you have come across words that you find
> distasteful
> > I expect that you might feel some kind of unpleasant emotion too, but I
> doubt very much that you have suffered any lasting harm. You just stop
> reading.
> > That should be enough. Furthermore, even if you are personally
> "protected" from certain words by other people who are depriving you of
> your right to make
> > your own decisions about what to read it so happens that other people
> your age or younger are deprived at the same time. So even if you maintain
> the right
> > to relinquish your own power of personal decision making then do you
> really have the right to ask that it be taken away from others of your age.
> I would
> > say that your best move is to just continue to make your own decisions
> about what to read and don't ask that your choices nor anyone else's
> choices be
> > censored.
> > On 4/3/2013 4:43 PM, Nimit Kaur wrote:
> > block quote
> > OK.  Sorry then.  I mean, then think about the words that you hear a
> > beap in the movies or  shows when it is being said.  I hope I am not
> > forced to write some here.  I won't and I hope I am not forced.  I
> > mean, I really don't want to and I know not to.  So, yeah, think about
> > the words that won't be writen in the kids' books or like the words or
> > actions, sometimes that are not in the movies rated excluding minors
> > such as PG or R or I can't think of more yet.  Sorry if I was wrong.
> > Thank you............
> >
> > On 4/3/13, Roger Loran Bailey
> > <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > block quote
> > #
> > I cannot think of a single word I have ever read or heard in my whole
> > life that I would not want a minor to hear or read.
> > On 4/3/2013 4:24 PM, Nimit Kaur wrote:
> > block quote
> > Dear all Bookshare volunteers,
> >
> > I am emailing to sincerely request all scanners to label the book
> > adult content checkbox if it is, please?  Remember, the books you are
> > going to add to the collection will also pop up even if the minors
> > search in the collection when you don't label it if it is adult
> > content.  i have seen many books either in the collection and in my
> > account preferences, the books that contain adult content has been
> > blocked or whatever that setting does, but because many people are not
> > labeling it, I have mistakenly downloaded and deleted the book because
> > I can't read them yet.  I sincerely ask all scanners on behalf of all
> > the minors to please please please please please please please to
> > check the box that says "adult content" if it is when you submit the
> > book, please?  I mean, I have downloaded many books mistakenly that
> > are not properly stated adult content either for proofing or reading
> > for bookshare.  Please understand my situation.  I am sorry if I was
> > too much, but I am just trying to ask everyone scanners as sincerely
> > and politely as I can to please please label the adult content if your
> > book is and if you don't know what adult content means, then, it is
> > like when there are words in the book that you don't want any minor in
> > your life to hear.  Think of it as your own children, if you have or
> > if you don't, think of it as minors in your lives that you care about
> > and think about the things you really don't want them to read and the
> > words you want them to avoid.  You know?  I hope that makes sense.
> > Think of somethings that schools won't allow the students to do or
> > think of things that might be rated pg or r or whatever rating movies
> > have to state that minors should not watch it.  Kids my age hear
> > everything, but I am speaking for minors that should not read it or
> > even children.  I hope this makes sense.  Thank you for reading and
> > understanding.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Nimit, a bookshare student member and a future advicate for all
> > visually impaired students hopefully
> >
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> > On 4/3/2013 9:39 PM, Roger Loran Bailey wrote:
> >> start reading a book that is distasteful to you you stop reading it and
> delete it. That is your choice and you have made that choice. When you ask
> other people to censor books before you can find out that you have a
> distaste for them, though, you are asking people to make your choices for
> you and to take your choice away from you. There are some words that I have
> a distaste for myself. Those words are usually racist or sexist terms or
> are other words that display bigotry. Sometimes I actually cringe when I
> come across such words. However, if someone tried to prevent me from
> encountering them I would be extremely resentful. If someone else decided
> for me what words I should be allowed to be exposed to without my having an
> input I would be more offended than I would be if I encountered the words
> themselves. As long as books that are marked as containing adult content
> are prohibited from being accessed by anyone I even oppose the adult
> designation at all and I would remove an
>  y adult designation on a book that I was proofreading. If the designation
> was there for informational purposes only, though, then that would be a
> different matter because you could see the designation and simply decide
> for yourself whether to download it or not. I am not sure that such a
> designation is necessary though. Notwithstanding miscategorization, if a
> book is listed in the children's category and not in other categories then
> it should be safe to assume that the book is not written for adults and if
> a book is not in the childrens category then it should be assumed that it
> is written with adults in mind. In any case, there is never a guarantee
> that you will like any book before you start reading it and you should not
> expect that other people should take responsibility for deciding that you
> are going to like a book or not. You can read reviews. You can listen to
> literary discussions. You can look to see what category a book is listed
> in. There are a number of ways to ge
>  t a pretty good idea of whether you will like a book before you start
> reading it, but you will never know for sure until you actually start
> reading it. Once you do start reading and if you decide that it is not for
> you then you can just stop reading and you have already said that is what
> you do. Similarly, if I run into one of those words that make me cringe I
> can stop reading myself and I have run into them on many occasions. Guess
> what? It has never harmed me. Sometimes I might become a bit angry or
> disgusted or feel some other unpleasant emotion, but I have never been
> harmed. If you have come across words that you find distasteful I expect
> that you might feel some kind of unpleasant emotion too, but I doubt very
> much that you have suffered any lasting harm. You just stop reading. That
> should be enough. Furthermore, even if you are personally "protected" from
> certain words by other people who are depriving you of your right to make
> your own decisions about what to read it
>  so happens that other people your age or younger are deprived at the same
> time. So even if you maintain the right to relinquish your own power of
> personal decision making then do you really have the right to ask that it
> be taken away from others of your age. I would say that your best move is
> to just continue to make your own decisions about what to read and don't
> ask that your choices nor anyone else's choices be censored.
> >> On 4/3/2013 4:43 PM, Nimit Kaur wrote:
> >>> OK.  Sorry then.  I mean, then think about the words that you hear a
> >>> beap in the movies or  shows when it is being said.  I hope I am not
> >>> forced to write some here.  I won't and I hope I am not forced. I
> >>> mean, I really don't want to and I know not to.  So, yeah, think about
> >>> the words that won't be writen in the kids' books or like the words or
> >>> actions, sometimes that are not in the movies rated excluding minors
> >>> such as PG or R or I can't think of more yet.  Sorry if I was wrong.
> >>> Thank you............
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/3/13, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> #
> >>>> I cannot think of a single word I have ever read or heard in my whole
> >>>> life that I would not want a minor to hear or read.
> >>>> On 4/3/2013 4:24 PM, Nimit Kaur wrote:
> >>>>> Dear all Bookshare volunteers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am emailing to sincerely request all scanners to label the book
> >>>>> adult content checkbox if it is, please?  Remember, the books you are
> >>>>> going to add to the collection will also pop up even if the minors
> >>>>> search in the collection when you don't label it if it is adult
> >>>>> content.  i have seen many books either in the collection and in my
> >>>>> account preferences, the books that contain adult content has been
> >>>>> blocked or whatever that setting does, but because many people are
> not
> >>>>> labeling it, I have mistakenly downloaded and deleted the book
> because
> >>>>> I can't read them yet.  I sincerely ask all scanners on behalf of all
> >>>>> the minors to please please please please please please please to
> >>>>> check the box that says "adult content" if it is when you submit the
> >>>>> book, please?  I mean, I have downloaded many books mistakenly that
> >>>>> are not properly stated adult content either for proofing or reading
> >>>>> for bookshare.  Please understand my situation.  I am sorry if I was
> >>>>> too much, but I am just trying to ask everyone scanners as sincerely
> >>>>> and politely as I can to please please label the adult content if
> your
> >>>>> book is and if you don't know what adult content means, then, it is
> >>>>> like when there are words in the book that you don't want any minor
> in
> >>>>> your life to hear.  Think of it as your own children, if you have or
> >>>>> if you don't, think of it as minors in your lives that you care about
> >>>>> and think about the things you really don't want them to read and the
> >>>>> words you want them to avoid.  You know?  I hope that makes sense.
> >>>>> Think of somethings that schools won't allow the students to do or
> >>>>> think of things that might be rated pg or r or whatever rating movies
> >>>>> have to state that minors should not watch it.  Kids my age hear
> >>>>> everything, but I am speaking for minors that should not read it or
> >>>>> even children.  I hope this makes sense.  Thank you for reading and
> >>>>> understanding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>> Nimit, a bookshare student member and a future advicate for all
> >>>>> visually impaired students hopefully
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