Hi, Evan, now do we know anybody on the list who reads books in Spanish in brf format from Bookshare? That would be a challenge if one could download books in brf format of different languages. Would there be books in contracted Braille in those languages? Hmm! Something to think about, no? Regards, Kim. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EVAN REESE Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:43 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Accented Letters, WAS: Re: Re: Bolded words in text Hi Mike, Accented letters are indeed preserved in Bookshare files. For braille readers, they will see a dot in front of the accented letter, but they won't know which particular accent is being used. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <mlsestak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Accented Letters, WAS: Re: Re: Bolded words in text > Since I have this monstrous (in several ways) travel book to scan for > the wish list, I am also curious about what happens to foreign words > in bookshare books. Most importantly, are accented characters > preserved in the brf and DAISY files? > > Are braille readers likely to recognize words with accented letters in > them like sauté? > > When sauté with the accent is read by a screen reader or kurzweill, is > it pronounced correctly? > > Misha > > Debby Franson wrote: >> Hi Valerie! >> >> Your comment about foreign language words in a book got me thinking. >> >> If the diacritical markings are not preserved by the OCR do you enter >> them? I do, because I like completeness. A word that comes to mind >> immediately, because I was searching for a recipe on the web is saute >> or sauté. or how about à la carte, or adiós instead of just adios? >> >> Braille display users, how do the words in this message with these >> accents in them get displayed on the braille displays, since I have >> used more than one letter with an acute, do you wonder what letter it >> is or are these letters displayed correctly? >> >> Debby >> >> At 06:20 PM 11/7/2009, Valerie Maples wrote >>> They are preserved and often helpful. Many of the books I am >>> proofing have foreign language in italics, and that allows dyslexics >>> and low skill readers to identify them purposefully. PLEASE retain >>> scanned bolds and italics, they usually serve a function. When I see >>> a trend, I note in my submission their purpose. It often alerts >>> people to not try to correct when spell-shecking in those cases. >>> >>> Running behind, but hope it makes sense... >>> >>> Valerie >>> >>> >>> On 11 07, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Bob wrote: >>> >>>> As far as I know, bold and italics make no difference at all. They >>>> may very well be taken out. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> ?We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all >>>> of us will live on in the future we make,? >>>> Senator Edward M. Kennedy >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <mailto:deniset@xxxxxxx>Denise Thompson >>>>> To: >>>>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:44 PM >>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text >>>>> >>>>> My question is- does it make a difference in Daisy to have text in >>>>> bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it? I've been changing the book to >>>>> TN >>>>> 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though that's what >>>>> we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for both. >>>>> I was under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other >>>>> types of text atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do. >>>>> Someone needs to decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed >>>>> books that I've done this with have been approved by admin so >>>>> apparently admin thinks regular text is ok. I want to do what is >>>>> expected, but for it keeping changing makes it difficult for those >>>>> of us doing proofing. >>>>> >>>>> Denise >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 11:47 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Monica, you make a good point; however, I am sure that the >>>>>> request to change the entire text of a submission to Times Roman >>>>>> 12 is in the manual. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like you, I always change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger >>>>>> size, but luckily I have made a note to that effect when >>>>>> submitting the book. However, it would be very easy to do all the >>>>>> work you mention and not make a note. >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with the other Lori from a later message that I have >>>>>> changed the font in order to make the text more readable and also >>>>>> to reduce some very large fonts. In future, I will check the >>>>>> fonts of chapter titles before making a universal change. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lori C. >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" >>>>>> <<mailto:rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> To: >>>>>> <<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> g> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:56 PM >>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Melissa and Lori, please, please don't do this as a principle on >>>>>>> every book. >>>>>>> I don't think you realize that this could do damage to someone's >>>>>>> submission. >>>>>>> When I submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that >>>>>>> my chapter headings are detected more easily both by sighted >>>>>>> users and the Bookshare tools. Sighted readers use changes in >>>>>>> the font face or font size to tell when the chapter or scene >>>>>>> changes in a book. The current book I'm scanning uses the Arial >>>>>>> font to indicate a chapter name and log entries when the scene >>>>>>> changes. The rest of the text is Times New Roman. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at the >>>>>>> bottom of the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or >>>>>>> numbers tells the Bookshare stripper that this is where a new >>>>>>> chapter or part begins. >>>>>>> If you >>>>>>> change the entire document to 12 point, you would >>>>>>> unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of hours doing to >>>>>>> ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind >>>>>>> speech users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning >>>>>>> disabilities would though, and I'm doing everything I can to >>>>>>> make their reading as easy and pleasurable as ours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like a lecture. It's not >>>>>>> meant that way. I'm pleading with you to learn about how fonts >>>>>>> work and why they matter. I used to do the same thing as you, >>>>>>> changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy and Valerie >>>>>>> came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs. >>>>>>> Since then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans >>>>>>> before submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters >>>>>>> are correct as I strip headers in my books. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's not a show-stopper in the >>>>>>> grand scheme of things. If you know for sure that the submitter >>>>>>> hasn't done any work with the fonts, changing the font probably >>>>>>> won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak the text in Word, >>>>>>> you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In that case, >>>>>>> will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font for >>>>>>> chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by >>>>>>> selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control right >>>>>>> bracket in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word. It >>>>>>> will increase the point size each time you press the keystroke, >>>>>>> and you should hear the font size when it changes. The left >>>>>>> bracket makes the font smaller, by the way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It does take extra time to do this. I freely admit that. If you >>>>>>> are blind like me, fonts mean very little since we can't see >>>>>>> them. Still, I know I'd want help if something was causing my >>>>>>> Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do it for others >>>>>>> who need it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Monica Willyard >>>>>>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter >>>>>>> Drucker >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: >>>>>>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-bounc >>>>>>> e@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [ mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Melissa Smith >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> g >>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New >>>>>>> Roman, and 12 Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. >>>>>>> This leaves any bold or italicized text the way it is. 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