[bksvol-discuss] Re: A question of formatting

  • From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:31:02 -0500

As someone who both scans and proofs, as a sighted person, it is MUCH easier to 
read and confirm accuracy with the blank line "protections" to separate things. 
 As a dyslexic, the triple asterisk for white space transitions is very 
helpful, too!

Valerie


On Mar 27, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Sue Stevens wrote:

> 
> <LOL>  Well, I put in the blank lines as well, but I just don't see the sense 
> of doing it.  And yes, asterisks definitely for changes of scene.  Now isn't 
> it rather stupid of me to put in blank lines when I don't see the sense to 
> it?  It just feels better to my ego, or whatever, even though I know they 
> will get stripped.
> 
> Sue S.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question of formatting
> 
> Well I guess I'll dive in here.
> 
> I always put in blank lines just because I think they are more ... uh ...
> prittier <lol>.
> 
> I know the stripper (call me old fashioned for using that word) is going to
> strip those lines right out. But, that's just me.
> 
> As Mayrie says changes of scenes are a different matter. Three asterisks
> seems like a good way to differentiate them.
> 
> Just my ten cents worth. <Inflation you know.>
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> "Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being
> governed by those who are dumber." Aristotle
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:05 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question of formatting
> 
> 
> Hi Sue,
> 
> As I said, it's a matter of preference.  The only situation in which I would
> really strongly push for keeping the asterisks to preserve a blank line is
> the situation in which a blank line exists within a chapter to denote a
> scene change, but a new chapter doesn't dstart at that point, so there's no
> indicator other than the white space, or in our case, the asterisks to let
> the reader know to expect something new.
> 
> And, as I said, the other instances, surrounding chapter headings, is really
> a matter of preference.  I understand the arguments for both options and
> respect both.  So, I'd request that if you want to ignore blank lines around
> chapter headings, go ahead, because the chapter heading (the writing of
> "chapter 1" or whatever) will let me know that something is changing, but if
> there is white space within a chapter, indicating a change of topic, or
> scene, please note it by using three asterisks to do so.
> 
> In the end, it's all the choice of the individual proofreader.  This is just
> my opinion.  And I hope I've explained why I have it well enough to be
> understood.
> 
> Does any of that help?
> 
> Mayrie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:40 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question of formatting
> 
> 
> Hi Mayrie,
> 
> It may make sense to Kim but not to me.  If we put the blank lines in, and
> if the tools take them out unless there are asterisks to keep them, why keep
> them?  They are not present in PQ books.  I have wondered if it is time to
> let go of that method.  Just my thought.
> 
> Sue S.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mayrie ReNae
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:50 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question of formatting
> 
> Hi Kim,
> 
> As Bookshare has no set rules on this, it is a matter of opinion.  So,
> here's mine.  Yes, where you suggest there should be blank lines, I put
> them.  That said, remember that Bookshare's tools don't preserve any white
> space (blank lines).  So, where you have a blank line, you would then put
> three asterisks so that the reader of the copy of the book once it hits the
> Bookshare collection, will know that there was a blank line to begin with.
> 
> Does that all make sense?
> 
> Mayrie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kim Friedman
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:36 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question of formatting
> 
> Hi, Mayrie, I understand what you're saying. Let me put this another
> way: let us say I have a page I'm working on. Below the page number is a
> part number with a title, below that is a chapter number without a title,
> and below that is the text on that particular page. Let's say I have put the
> part number plus its title at 18 pt. type and it's bolded in Times New
> Roman. Let's add that the chapter heading has been bolded and at 16 pt. type
> in the same font. What I want to know is this: should there be a blank line
> between the part title and the chapter heading?
> Another question is if a chapter heading appears in the middle of the page,
> should there be blank lines between the last line of text and the heading of
> the chapter I'm about to proofread? Also, after I've done the usual thing
> with the chapter title (16 pt. type, bolded, Times new Roman, changes saved)
> should there be a blank line after the chapter marking the beginning of the
> text for that chapter? Regards, Kim Friedman. P.S.: I hope I made myself
> clear as that is what I was concerned about in my last message on this
> thread. Thanks much for the advice. K.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 8:35 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question of formatting
> 
> 
> Hi Kim,
> 
> What you do is fine except for one thing.  Your chapter headings need not
> only to be bold, but in 16 point font if the body is 12 point.  If you have
> a part number and a chapter number on the same page, or anywhere else for
> that matter, the Part 1, or whatever it's called will need to be bold and in
> 18-point font, chapter heading at 16-point and body of the text of the book
> at 12-point.  If you do not enlarge the title of the book to 20 point, parts
> to 18-point, and chapter headings to 16-point with chapter sections at
> 14-point, there will not be proper daisy navigation.  This navigation is
> important in my opinion.
> 
> Putting asterisks on the line before and after a chapter heading or part,
> will let the reader know that there was white space in the book to begin
> with.
> 
> Hope all that helps.
> 
> Mayrie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kim Friedman
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 8:19 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] A question of formatting
> 
> Hi, all of the books I've proofread in the past put new chapters at the top
> of the page. I mention this because the present book I'm working on has
> chapters in the middle of the page and I'd like your opinion how to format
> this. Here's what I've done so far: After the last sentence of the previous
> chapter, I entered a blank line where I wrote in three asterisks, after this
> line of asterisks, there's the next chapter heading which is bolded, and
> after that I entered another blank line on which I wrote three asterisks. Is
> this correct procedure? My object for doing this is to insure there will be
> blank space surrounding the chapter title. Another question I have is how to
> format a page in which the Part number, its title, and the chapter heading
> appears on the same page. How does one format this? Should there be a blank
> line between the Part title and the chapter heading? I'm concerned that the
> file looks good when it's checked in. Regards, Kim Friedman.
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