Hi, Lissi! I haven't finished reading my e-mail today (another adventurous
day in the life of an evacuee!), but I did want to comment on one thing.
Sometimes the OCR software won't recognize hyphens in the middle of words.
If you think this may be the case, please go ahead and insert those hyphens.
It's not our place to make those words easier to recognize with speech, but
it's certainly fine to make sure that compound words are hyphenated when
they are supposed to be. In the case of the word blood-red, it's probably
right to hyphenate it, unless the context is such that it was purposefully
misspelled. Hope this helps!
Jana
Dear Sarah,
Thanks for the advice and positive feedback.
Funny, in the case of bloodred, word agreed with the publisher that the compound was correct, but when I sent that message, the spell check on Outlook Express reported it as incorrect.
As I guessed even before I wrote the question, I really didn't think it was my place to tamper with the published material, but I had to ask since some words sounded so distorted. These little things don't disrupt my reading, but when I write e mail, I often change spelling so jaws readers will hear pronunciations as they should sound. There's a world of difference between my personal e mail posts and preparing published material for a collection of copyrighted material. Just had to check.
Always With Love,
Lissi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question about page breaks
If you use Word mostly for validating and not much for printing you might want to go to the file menu, open the page setup dialog, and control-tab to the page size tab. There you can change the page length to something very long like 20 inches. Press okay and say yes when Word asks if you want to keep your changes even though the size is outside the printable margins. If you do that Word won't put in soft page breaks unless the book you are working on didn't have any correct page breaks.
Your method of making sure that the page numbers and the page numbers reported by JAWS in a different voice are increasing at the same rate is a very good method for making sure everything is all right. That page number reported in a different voice is the same one you would get if you pressed Insert-3 on the NumPad to have JAWS read the status line of Word. It is the actual number of pages that your document has, whereas the numbers you find at the top or bottum of pages are the books page numbers, and usually somewhat lower numbers since books rarely start page one on the first page. You usually only start with page one when the main content of the book or story begins.
It's obvious you will be a good validator because you are learning very quickly and developing your own methods of making sure everything comes out okay. :-)
By the way, the page number doesn't have to have a blank line above it, but since the stripper/book processing program doesn't pay any attention to extra blanks at the top of the page it won't make any difference if there is a blank line. It will still know that the first thing it finds is a page number if it is a number.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck Assistive Technology Trainer http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question about page breaks
Dear Natalie,
Like you, I check each page break manually with the arrow keys. I'm not only checking that the break is there, but also verifying that the spacing for the page number if it's at the top of the page has a blank line above and below it. I mostly use the arrow anyway so I won't miss some little detail that could use fixing. Since I'm not validating for the fifty cents, I'm one of those volunteers who wants the book to be squeaky clean when I submit it. It's both a challenge and matter of pride.
You know, I'm actually not positive about what I'm doing. One way I conclude there's a page break is that jaws says a page number in a lower voice which isn't always the number before the actual number on the page that follows. Those low voiced numbers can be as many as ten pages different from the book's numbering. I wind up keeping track of both, figuring neither should have skipped numbers.
Keep asking questions, Natalie. I learn from them too though I didn't understand Gerald's answer to your question about soft page breaks. I think it doesn't matter if I get the difference between soft and hard breaks since I just use that arrow and seem to find them....I hope!
Always With Love,
Lissi
----- Original Message ----- From: Natalie
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question about page breaks
Hi, and thanks for your help. I guess what I was looking for was a way to be able to detect a page break while reading with the insert two for say all so I didn't have to arrow line by line, but I guess I will just have to arrow to find the page breaks and just a bit slower in my reading. That's fine though, and thanks for your help.
Natalie
----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question about page breaks
Natalie,
From what I remember of using Word Perfect back in the DOS days, Spg does mean soft page break or one that occurs in Word Perfect because of the page length. HPg means hard page break and occurs because Word Perfect encounters a Page Break character.
If I understood you correctly, you said you were reading a book from the collection in Word Perfect. That would be why you don't see any hard page breaks in the book. I don't believe HTML and XML allow hard page breaks, therefore, the hard page breaks would be removed as part of the processing to turn the book into a DAISY book. I don't think the locations of the hard page breaks are lost, however, in the DAISY books. It's been two or three years since I read a description of the DAISY standard, but from what I remember, my impression was that the information is recorded in one of the additional files that are included with the XML file in the DAISY books along with other navigation information like the location of specific pages and chapters.
Try using Reveal Codes on a book downloaded from the Step 1 page, either a new book or one you worked on in the past. You can also try adding a hard page break to a file then looking at it with Reveal Codes turned on. It seems like you insert one using Ctrl-Enter like Word, K-1000, and OpenBook, but I could be getting it confused with those software packages, so you might try Shift-Enter or just looking up the proper key combination in the Help information.
HTH
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:12 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] A question about page breaks
Hi everyone. I know this is probably going to be a stupid question, but can anyone tell me how to find page breaks when using Word Perfect? I'm using wq11 and Jaws 6.0 and have been unsuccessful in finding them. I tried reading with reveal codes and could only find spg which I'm assuming means a soft page break. I guess I'm confused because I'm currently reading a book I downloaded from the colection because I was trying to test the reveal codes thing before I got a another book to validate, and I only found soft page breaks in the book. Or at least, I'm assuming that's what spg means. Anyway, I was just curious so thought I would ask.
Natalie
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