[bksvol-discuss] Re: A question about page breaks
- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:46:26 -0500
If you use Word mostly for validating and not much for printing you might
want to go to the file menu, open the page setup dialog, and control-tab to
the page size tab. There you can change the page length to something very
long like 20 inches. Press okay and say yes when Word asks if you want to
keep your changes even though the size is outside the printable margins.
If you do that Word won't put in soft page breaks unless the book you are
working on didn't have any correct page breaks.
Your method of making sure that the page numbers and the page numbers
reported by JAWS in a different voice are increasing at the same rate is a
very good method for making sure everything is all right. That page number
reported in a different voice is the same one you would get if you pressed
Insert-3 on the NumPad to have JAWS read the status line of Word. It is
the actual number of pages that your document has, whereas the numbers you
find at the top or bottum of pages are the books page numbers, and usually
somewhat lower numbers since books rarely start page one on the first page.
You usually only start with page one when the main content of the book or
story begins.
It's obvious you will be a good validator because you are learning very
quickly and developing your own methods of making sure everything comes out
okay. :-)
By the way, the page number doesn't have to have a blank line above it, but
since the stripper/book processing program doesn't pay any attention to
extra blanks at the top of the page it won't make any difference if there
is a blank line. It will still know that the first thing it finds is a page
number if it is a number.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck
Assistive Technology Trainer
http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message -----
From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question about page breaks
Dear Natalie,
Like you, I check each page break manually with the arrow keys. I'm not
only checking that the break is there, but also verifying that the spacing
for the page number if it's at the top of the page has a blank line above
and below it. I mostly use the arrow anyway so I won't miss some little
detail that could use fixing. Since I'm not validating for the fifty cents,
I'm one of those volunteers who wants the book to be squeaky clean when I
submit it. It's both a challenge and matter of pride.
You know, I'm actually not positive about what I'm doing. One way I
conclude there's a page break is that jaws says a page number in a lower
voice which isn't always the number before the actual number on the page
that follows. Those low voiced numbers can be as many as ten pages
different from the book's numbering. I wind up keeping track of both,
figuring neither should have skipped numbers.
Keep asking questions, Natalie. I learn from them too though I didn't
understand Gerald's answer to your question about soft page breaks. I think
it doesn't matter if I get the difference between soft and hard breaks
since I just use that arrow and seem to find them....I hope!
Always With Love,
Lissi
----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question about page breaks
Hi, and thanks for your help. I guess what I was looking for was a way
to be able to detect a page break while reading with the insert two for say
all so I didn't have to arrow line by line, but I guess I will just have to
arrow to find the page breaks and just a bit slower in my reading. That's
fine though, and thanks for your help.
Natalie
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question about page breaks
Natalie,
From what I remember of using Word Perfect back in the DOS days, Spg
does mean soft page break or one that occurs in Word Perfect because of the
page length. HPg means hard page break and occurs because Word Perfect
encounters a Page Break character.
If I understood you correctly, you said you were reading a book from
the collection in Word Perfect. That would be why you don't see any hard
page breaks in the book. I don't believe HTML and XML allow hard page
breaks, therefore, the hard page breaks would be removed as part of the
processing to turn the book into a DAISY book. I don't think the locations
of the hard page breaks are lost, however, in the DAISY books. It's been
two or three years since I read a description of the DAISY standard, but
from what I remember, my impression was that the information is recorded in
one of the additional files that are included with the XML file in the
DAISY books along with other navigation information like the location of
specific pages and chapters.
Try using Reveal Codes on a book downloaded from the Step 1 page,
either a new book or one you worked on in the past. You can also try
adding a hard page break to a file then looking at it with Reveal Codes
turned on. It seems like you insert one using Ctrl-Enter like Word,
K-1000, and OpenBook, but I could be getting it confused with those
software packages, so you might try Shift-Enter or just looking up the
proper key combination in the Help information.
HTH
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:12 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] A question about page breaks
Hi everyone. I know this is probably going to be a stupid question,
but can anyone tell me how to find page breaks when using Word Perfect?
I'm using wq11 and Jaws 6.0 and have been unsuccessful in finding them. I
tried reading with reveal codes and could only find spg which I'm assuming
means a soft page break. I guess I'm confused because I'm currently
reading a book I downloaded from the colection because I was trying to test
the reveal codes thing before I got a another book to validate, and I only
found soft page breaks in the book. Or at least, I'm assuming that's what
spg means. Anyway, I was just curious so thought I would ask.
Natalie
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