[bksvol-discuss] Re: A Breath of Cold and Ashes
- From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:30:53 -0600
I only use the ^$^p approach to find a few instances where a letter occurs
at the end of a paragraph, and I just go ahead and fix those by hand since
replacing the ^$ will replace the last letter on the line, and I don't know
that Word is smart enough to keep up with what it finds and allow you to
specify what it finds in the Replace With field. Also, there are legitimate
instances where this occurs, and not fixing the problem by hand could cause
as many problems as it fixes. For example, books often have letters or
notes which contain a closing that ends in a character's name. Just like
this e-mail ends with my first name.
If this tip hasn't already been added to Jake's site, then we ought to add
it. I'll look back through my messages for the one I sent out on how to fix
the problem using Word and Kelly's message on how to tackle it with K-1000.
Guess it's about time I took another look at what tips are on Jake's site
since I had these in a list of tips to add to it.
I'll get back to you about this later.
BTW, I tried calling Bookshare late today, but didn't get ahold of Janice or
Gustavo. Janice may not be back in the office yet because her voice mail
message still talks about her being out until the 27th.
I'll try calling again tomorrow.
Gerald
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Hi Gerald:
Thanks for answering my question.
It's kind of what I thought. I just didn't know how to fix it.
Now I have another question, when I find ^$^p I replace it with ^P?
If there's instructions on this using k1000 I'd appreciate it.
And we should add it to Jake's site.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Breath of Cold and Ashes
> Grace,
>
> Based on her message, I'd guess that Elizabeth is referring to the Hard
> Returns that OCR software sometimes puts at the end of lines. I'm not
> sure
> if this is caused by a setting for maintaining the text as it appears in
> the
> book or if the software is confusing the amount of whitespace between
> lines
> to mean that each line is a separate paragraph when it's actually not.
>
> No matter what the cause is, the resulting scan contains a Hard Return at
> the end of each line. By Hard Return I mean the character that Word
> refers
> to as a Paragraph Marker and other software refers to as a Newline
> character
> (\n or /n). In any case, the character is the ASCII character 13.
>
> It's easy to spot this problem with speech because skimming by paragraph
> doesn't work properly. For example, hitting the Right Shift key when
> reading with Say All in JAWS while the Say All option is set to Paragraph
> will only skip to the next line, not the next paragraph as it appears in
> the
> text since the Hard Return specifies that the character following the Hard
> Return in the file begins a new paragraph.
>
> Another way to tell in most software packages if the Hard Return is
> present
> is by using Ctrl-Up and Ctrl-Down to navigate the document. This normally
> moves you to the beginning of a paragraph in the direction specified by
> the
> Up and Down arrows.
>
> Another way to locate the problem in Word is to remove whitespace at the
> end
> of lines by replacing ^w^p with ^p then doing a search for ^$^p or ,^p
> (Comma^p). This won't locate them all but it will find most, if not all,
> of
> the lines with this issue. the first will find paragraphs which end a
> letter, and the second will find paragraphs which end in a comma. I like
> to
> do this search when validating a book because there's always a few
> instances
> where a paragraph has a Hard Return in the middle of it.
>
> Also, if the problem occurs at the end of every line, and paragraphs can
> be
> identified by either a blank line between them or a tab or spaces at the
> beginning, then some careful global finds and replaces can often fix the
> problem.
>
> I believe I have the steps written down for Word in a previous message if
> anyone is interested along with a message which Kelly wrote describing how
> to fix the problem using K-1000 or a BN.
>
> I agree with E that this issue is very annoying to those of us who like to
> skim favorite books using speech, but I don't know that I would mark the
> quality lower if this is the only problem.
>
> HTH
>
> Gerald
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:32 PM
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Breath of Cold and Ashes
>
> E:
>
> This will sound stupid, but can you explain what you mean by line feeds?
> And if you're using speech to read how do you know if they're there?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:30 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Breath of Cold and Ashes
>
>
>>I have no idea. How do so many books get rated as excellent and prove not
>>to be. I do not excellent takes into account extra hard returns which do
>>not appear at the ends of sentences but are put in at ends of lines.
>>Makes
>
>>stuff messy for folks who download but do not validate and makes bookshare
>>come across as creating shoddy stuff.
>>
>> E.
>> At 11:19 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>>First of all, I want to thank everyone who uses their time and talent to
>>>scan and prepare the books for us to read.
>>>
>>>My question is if there is such a problem with the book scan, then how
>>>did it get to the actual reading list with such an excellent rating?
>>>
>>>
>>>A Breath of Snow and Ashes
>>>by
>>>Diana Gabaldon
>>>Quality:
>>>Excellent, almost no errors.
>>>Language:
>>>English
>>>Synopsis:
>>>The sixth Outlander novel follows Jamie Fraser and his time-traveling
>>>wife
>
>>>Claire in their heart-stopping adventures.
>>>Copyright Date:
>>>2005
>>>Available Formats:
>>>BRF DAISY
>>>Membership required for download (Copyrighted)
>>>
>>>do people still go over the books that have been posted to the read-me
>>>download site? I am confused. Please help.
>>>
>>>Nancy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 12:18 AM 3/28/2006, E. wrote:
>>>
>>>>Someone with the print copy may want to figure out how to fix up this
>>>>book. What a shame it has so many linefeeds and errors and was scanned
>>>>so recently too!!!
>>>
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