[bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
- From: Scott Rains <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:01:58 -0700
And we are very pleased that Judy allowed us to include her chart description
technique in the new volunteer manual here:
https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/4.8+A.+Creating+Written+Descriptions+of+Pedigree+and+Ancestor+Charts
Scott Rains
Benetech Fellow, Bookshare Volunteer Department
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Judy S did some horse pedigrees for me just recently, and made them very
understandable.
Melissa Smith
On 7/16/2010 8:34 PM, Mike wrote:
> I thought there was a sighted person on the list who has converted
> family trees to text in the past. Though sighted, I'd rather not do
> it without some guidance from a past successful conversion as it could
> easily become incomprehensible. If knowing all the relationships is
> not required in order to understand the rest of the book I would put
> [first page of author's family tree], [second page of author's family
> tree], [third page of author's family tree] as needed to make the page
> count correct.
>
> Misha
>
> On 7/16/2010 12:39 PM, Andy B. wrote:
>> Ok. [diagram of Author's family tree]... will be inserted into the pages
>> where it sits in the book.
>>
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>>
>> Andy,
>>
>> You have given it due diligence. Thanks! I agree with Mayrie's advice.
>>
>> Scott Rains
>> Benetech Fellow, Bookshare Volunteer Department
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>> [bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy B.
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>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:33 PM
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>>
>> That's probably what I will do then.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:23 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>
>>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> Because we are required not to alter the book in order not to break
>> copyright agreements that Bookshare has with publishers, I think that
>> you're
>> safest just deleting the tree entirely if it can't be OCRed
>> intelligibly and
>> just putting the note [Author's Family Tree] and on the second and/or
>> more
>> pages that the tree occupies write [Author's Family Tree continued.] In
>> instances like this I prefer to be conservative in adding any
>> material. We
>> don't want to cause any publisher to be unhappy.
>>
>> Just my thinking.
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy B.
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:08 AM
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>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>
>> I might be able to find it on the author's website. If I can't find the
>> "exact" copy of the tree, I will put what I find and then put [adapted
>> family tree] or something like it. Any ideas on what I can put for a
>> note
>> like that? The other thing I worry about, is if the tree is x pages
>> long,
>> but the one I find doesn't fit that number of pages, what do I do next?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:58 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>
>>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> Yes, putting [Author's Family Tree] on the pages is a fine solution
>> when it
>> can't be represented from the text. I'm just curious, is the
>> information in
>> the family tree given in the book, either throughout the book, or in a
>> single place as text? If it is, then simply writing what you suggest
>> after
>> deleting the tree altogether is very acceptable. And if it isn't, well,
>> sometimes that is just what needs to be done with charts.
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy B.
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:47 AM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>
>> I can get the text of the tree for the most part, but it starts getting
>> confusing when they have the mother/father split. Otherwise the only
>> way to
>> make sense of it is by the birth/death years next to the person. What
>> the
>> problem is, is who was married to who? and whose kids were whose? I
>> know the
>> author's background quite well, and this 3 page tree is even getting me
>> confused. What should I do with it? Can I put [author's family tree]
>> on the
>> pages?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Bailey
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:03 PM
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>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>
>>
>> A family tree is usually depicted as names of people, perhaps with some
>> amount of information about them, connected by lines. It is a very
>> visual
>> representation, kind of like a pie chart. I don't know about Braille
>> users,
>> but I don't see how such a depiction could be made to make any sense
>> to the
>> user of a screen reader with synthetic voice. A graph or pie chart
>> requires
>> description and I would think a family tree would too.
>>
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy B."<sonfire11@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To:<bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:47 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] 5 different views of a single page?
>>
>>
>> I have scanned a single page 3 or more different times without moving
>> the
>> book on the scanner.
>>
>> 1. It comes up blank which I know isn't true based on below results.
>> 2. I
>> get scrambled text that has the header (I think) at the top of the
>> page. 3.
>> I get scrambled text with the header at the bottom of the page. 4. I get
>> some valid text with no header/footer. 5. I get some valid text with the
>> header/footer in the middle of the text mixing up its natural flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a family tree outline of an author. I don't know if there are
>> images
>> or not. I also don't know if the family tree is in a table or not.
>> How would
>> I go about fixing the page? I can send a sighted person on the list the
>> original scanned image of the page if needed.
>>
>>
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