Badges - Re: Gov. Christie close to deal on ending public employee payouts for unused sick days
- From: David Thompson <dthom5303@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <badges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:09:43 -0400
Not every State gives you unconditional sick leave. My agency only paid me 50%
for a max of 120 days. In other words, 60 days. Other agencies paid 100%, some
25%, some none. There is a legitimate arguement that sick leave is really the
property of management whereas vacation is the property of the employee.
Howard can probably explain the legal technicalities better. A good test is
how much do they have to hold or encumber in the eyes of the IRS. Since the
city only paid out 50%, I only had that much property interest rights . Again,
it is based on contract language.
While I understand that the potential abuse will occur in latter days, the
employee is putting themselves at risk. Most places impose strict liablity for
fraud when it involves pension. Faking illness could be contrued as this.
It is easy to become angry but in reality, Christie may only be following the
law. There are many practices that occur that bend rules, especially in
puffing one's retirement. He may only be pulling things back to what is
statutorily permitted. I don't know, don't live in NJ and don't ever want to!
My understanding as how the military handles this is called terminal leave. If
you have a couple of months of leave you actually muster out that number of
days early. It would be preferrable in many circumstances to muster people out
instead of paying them a bonus. When I was chief, I had an officer that
basically followed this model. My city didn't pay out much in sick and
vacation leave but did allow 4 weeks of vacation/ leave to burn up what they
didn't pay.
Remember, above all, there is NO MONEY. If public sector employees don't step
up to modest adjustments in pay and/or pension, we stand to lose it all.
Michigan just passed an income tax on pensions. That will cost me about
2500.00 more this year. This week, my city just raised property tax to cover
legacy costs (ok, I am stuck here since I am in that group) that will cost me
several hundred more dollars. I am not happy but I consider the fact that
sacrifices have to be made and that will ultimately include us retirees.
Lets see where this takes this now!!
David G. Thompson
Retired Admin LT
Midland PD, MI
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> From: pcroas@xxxxxxxxxxx
> To: badges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Badges - Re: Gov. Christie close to deal on ending public employee
> payouts for unused sick days
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 09:58:29 -0500
>
> Time you start using their sick time!!!
>
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> From: badges-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:badges-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of CarlGlas@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:38 PM
> To: badges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Badges - Gov. Christie close to deal on ending public employee
> payouts for unused sick days
>
> That's a hell of a good deal. I thought sick
> days, while earned by the employee, belonged to the employer.
>
>
>
> Trenton - New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie says he
> and lawmakers are close to an agreement on ending
> huge payouts to retiring public employees for unused sick days.
>
> But the GOP governor says he won't accept a deal
> that allows for any payouts going forward.
>
> Republicans and Democrats agree that cash-outs
> that can total hundreds of thousands of dollars
> strain local budgets. They differ on how to best fix the problem.
>
> Christie conditionally vetoed a bill in December
> that would have capped the amount of accumulated
> sick leave employees can cash out from here on at $15,000.
>
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> The Badges Law Enforcement Discussion Group - Est. 1997
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> The Badges Law Enforcement Discussion Group - Est. 1997
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The Badges Law Enforcement Discussion Group - Est. 1997
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