[badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Rehump Debate
- From: lomax <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:00:40 -0600
I missed the nuke debate at the site sat. If you guys are trying to think of
where we'd get hit first, like the saying goes, "almost doesn't count except
in hand grenades and nukes". For our purposes, if we're going to begin a
nuke plan, we should concentrate on where they won't strike.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:51 PM, kevin Joyner <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The cloud from a 1 megaton blast will reach nearly 10 miles across and
> equally high. Soon after forming, it will turn white because of water
> condensation around it and within it. In an hour or so, it will have largely
> dissipated, which means that its cargo of death can no longer be tracked
> visually. People will need to be evacuated from under the fallout, but they
> will have a hard time knowing where to go. Only for the first day or so will
> visible pieces of fallout appear on the ground, such as marble-sized chunks
> of radioactive debris and flea-sized dots of blackened particles. After that
> the descending debris from the radioactive cloud will become invisible and
> harder to track; the fallout will only be detectable with Geiger counters
> carried by people in "moon suits". But all the moon suits will already be in
> use in the known affected area. Probably, no one will be tracking the cloud.
> One U.S. test in the South Pacific resulted in a cigar-shaped contamination
> area 340 miles long and up to 60 miles wide. It spread 20 miles *upwind*
> from the test site, and 320 miles downwind. Where exactly it goes all
> depends on the winds and the rains at the time. It is difficult to predict
> where the cloud will travel before it happens, and it is likewise difficult
> to track the cloud as it moves and dissipates around the globe. While
> underground testing is bad enough for the environment, a single large
> above-ground explosion is likely to result in measurable global increases of
> a whole spectrum of health effects.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Shawn Wilkerson <tatz1977@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> the first to be hit as for military.
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 3/11/11, kevin Joyner <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: kevin Joyner <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Rehump Debate
>> To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: "Joe" <virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 3:31 PM
>>
>>
>> I wonder what the operation would be toward military installations. Such
>> as the Naval base in Kenosha.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Joe
>> <virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> No no Kevin you said destroyed by the blast not affected. I am not
>> going to argue that Milwaukee would not be affected but I will say we most
>> likely would not have to evacuate.
>>
>> *From:* kevin
>> Joyner<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2011 9:32 AM
>> *To:*
>> badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Cc:*
>> xcopdaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=xcopdaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Subject:* [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Rehump Debate
>>
>> Background. If nuke hit Chicago would Milwaukee be affected?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 9:30 AM,
>> <xcopdaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=xcopdaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
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>> Yeah
>>
>> I'm confused can we get a background on this discussion?
>>
>> All i need to know is nuke= baddddd
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:53:40 -0600 lomax
>> <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> wrote:
>> >OK, what did I miss? Are we under a nuclear threat or just trying
>> >to figure
>> >out if we want to take it to the face or take it to the ass?
>> >
>> >On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:39 PM, kevin Joyner
>> ><joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Average nuke in the U.S. arsenal is 1 megaton. However
>> >there are also
>> >> Nukes up to 57 megatons in the arsenal as well which were
>> >developed during
>> >> the cold war.
>> >> The largest nuke ever exploded, Tsar Bomba, was by Russia and
>> >was designed
>> >> as a 100 megaton nuke but exploded as a 56 megaton nuke because
>> >it was to
>> >> heavy to move as a 100 megaton.
>> >>
>> >> Now on to the cut and paste:
>> >>
>> >> *Effects of a Nuclear Explosion *Damage caused by nuclear
>> >explosions can
>> >> vary greatly, depending on the weapon’s yield (measured in
>> >kilotons or
>> >> megatons), the type of nuclear fuel used, the design of the
>> >device, whether
>> >> it’s exploded in the air or at earth’s surface, the geography
>> >surrounding
>> >> the target, whether it’s winter or summer, hazy or clear, night
>> >or day,
>> >> windy or calm. Whatever the factors, though, the explosion will
>> >release
>> >> several distinct forms of energy. One form is the explosive
>> >blast. Other
>> >> forms are direct nuclear radiation and thermal radiation. And
>> >then there’s
>> >> radioactive fallout — not exactly energy released by the
>> >explosion, but
>> >> still a destructive result.
>> >>
>> >> *Explosive Blast*
>> >> Much of the damage inflicted by a nuclear explosion is the
>> >result of its
>> >> shock wave. There are two components to a blast’s shock wave.
>> >First, there’s
>> >> the wall of pressure that expands outward from the explosion. It
>> >is this
>> >> pressure, measured in psi (pounds per square inch), that blows
>> >away the
>> >> walls from buildings. A typical two-story house subjected to 5
>> >psi would
>> >> feel the force of 180 tons on the side facing the blast.
>> >(Download the
>> >> Quicktime movie entitled house to see an example of a building
>> >subjected to
>> >> this type of pressure.) Additionally, the blast creates a 160
>> >mile-an-hour
>> >> wind. And that’s only at 5 psi. The wind speed following a 20
>> >psi blast
>> >> would be 500 mph!
>> >>
>> >> *Direct Nuclear Radiation*
>> >> A nuclear detonation creates several forms of nuclear, or
>> >ionizing,
>> >> radiation. The nuclear fission (atom splitting) and nuclear
>> >fusion (atom
>> >> combining) that occur to produce the explosion release, either
>> >directly or
>> >> indirectly, neutrons, gamma rays, beta particles, and alpha
>> >particles.
>> >> Neutrons are heavy particles that are released from atoms’
>> >nuclei. These
>> >> tiny “missiles” can easily penetrate solid objects. Another
>> >penetrating form
>> >> of radiation is gamma rays, which are energetic photons. Both of
>> >these types
>> >> of radiation can be deadly. Beta and alpha particles are less
>> >dangerous,
>> >> having ranges of several meters and several centimeters,
>> >respectively. Alpha
>> >> particles can cause harm only if they are ingested.
>> >>
>> >> *Thermal Radiation*
>> >> You don’t have to be close to ground zero to view the bright
>> >flash created
>> >> by the exploding bomb. The flash from a bomb has been viewed
>> >from hundreds
>> >> of miles away. In addition to being intensely bright, this
>> >radiation is
>> >> intensely hot (hence the name “thermal”). If you’re seven miles
>> >away from a
>> >> one megaton explosion, the heat emanating from the fireball will
>> >cause a
>> >> first-degree burn (equivalent to a bad sunburn ) to any exposed
>> >skin facing
>> >> the light. If you’re six miles away, it will cause second-degree
>> >burns. And
>> >> if you’re five miles away, the thermal radiation will cause
>> >third-degree
>> >> burns — a much more serious injury that would require prompt
>> >medical
>> >> attention.
>> >>
>> >> The intense heat would also ignite a “mass fire” — i.e., a fire
>> >that could
>> >> cause large areas to simultaneously burst into flames.
>> >>
>> >> *Fallout*
>> >> You’ve seen the image: a mushroom cloud created by a nuclear
>> >explosion.
>> >> Produced with a detonation at or near the earth’s surface, this
>> >type of
>> >> explosion results in far-ranging radioactive fallout. Earth and
>> >debris —
>> >> made radioactive by the nuclear explosion — rises up, forming
>> >the mushroom
>> >> cloud’s stem. Much of this material falls directly back down
>> >close to ground
>> >> zero within several minutes after the explosion, but some
>> >travels high into
>> >> the atmosphere. This material will be dispersed over the earth
>> >during the
>> >> following hours, days, months. In fact, some of the particles
>> >rising up
>> >> through the mushroom will enter the stratosphere, where they
>> >could remain
>> >> for tens of years.
>> >>
>> >> Obviously, if a thermonuclear bomb exploded close to your home,
>> >you’d have
>> >> little hope of surviving the blast. But what if one exploded 5
>> >miles away,
>> >> or 20 miles away? And what about radioactive fallout?
>> >>
>> >> Learn about a nuclear weapon’s “zones of destruction” — choose
>> >between a
>> >> relatively small detonation at earth’s surface, which will
>> >produce
>> >> substantial fallout, and an especially destructive large
>> >detonation at high
>> >> altitude.
>> >>
>> >> *1 Megaton Surface Blast: Pressure Damage*
>> >> The fission bomb detonated over Hiroshima had an explosive blast
>> >equivalent
>> >> to 12,500 tons of TNT. A 1 megaton hydrogen bomb, hypothetically
>> >detonated
>> >> on the earth’s surface, has about 80 times the blast power of
>> >that 1945
>> >> explosion.
>> >>
>> >> Radius of destructive circle: 1.7 miles
>> >> 12 pounds per square inch
>> >>
>> >> At the center lies a crater 200 feet deep and 1000 feet in
>> >diameter. The
>> >> rim of this crater is 1,000 feet wide and is composed of highly
>> >radioactive
>> >> soil and debris. Nothing recognizable remains within about 3,200
>> >feet (0.6
>> >> miles) from the center, except, perhaps, the remains of some
>> >buildings’
>> >> foundations. At 1.7 miles, only some of the strongest buildings
>> >— those made
>> >> of reinforced, poured concrete — are still standing. Ninety-
>> >eight percent of
>> >> the population in this area are dead.
>> >>
>> >> Radius: 2.7 miles
>> >> 5 psi
>> >>
>> >> Virtually everything is destroyed between the 12 and 5 psi
>> >rings. The walls
>> >> of typical multi-story buildings, including apartment buildings,
>> >have been
>> >> completely blown out. The bare, structural skeletons of more and
>> >more
>> >> buildings rise above the debris as you approach the 5 psi ring.
>> >> Single-family residences within this this area have been
>> >completely blown
>> >> away — only their foundations remain. Fifty percent of the
>> >population
>> >> between the 12 and 5 psi rings are dead. Forty percent are
>> >injured.
>> >>
>> >> Radius: 4.7 miles
>> >> 2 psi
>> >>
>> >> Any single-family residences that have not been completely
>> >destroyed are
>> >> heavily damaged. The windows of office buildings have been blown
>> >away, as
>> >> have some of their walls. The contents of these buildings’ upper
>> >floors,
>> >> including the people who were working there, are scattered on
>> >the street. A
>> >> substantial amount of debris clutters the entire area. Five
>> >percent of the
>> >> population between the 5 and 2 psi rings are dead. Forty-five
>> >percent are
>> >> injured.
>> >>
>> >> Radius: 7.4 miles
>> >> 1 psi
>> >>
>> >> Residences are moderately damaged. Commercial buildings have
>> >sustained
>> >> minimal damage. Twenty-five percent of the population between
>> >the 2 and 1
>> >> psi rings have been injured, mainly by flying glass and debris.
>> >Many others
>> >> have been injured from thermal radiation — the heat generated by
>> >the blast.
>> >> The remaining seventy-five percent are unhurt.
>> >> *1 Megaton Surface Blast: Fallout*
>> >> One of the effects of nuclear weapons detonated on or near the
>> >earth’s
>> >> surface is the resulting radioactive fallout. Immediately after
>> >the
>> >> detonation, a great deal of earth and debris, made radioactive
>> >by the blast,
>> >> is carried high into the atmosphere, forming a mushroom cloud.
>> >The material
>> >> drifts downwind and gradually falls back to earth, contaminating
>> >thousands
>> >> of square miles. This page describes the fallout pattern over a
>> >seven-day
>> >> period.
>> >>
>> >> Assumptions
>> >> Wind speed: 15 mph
>> >> Wind direction: due east
>> >> Time frame: 7 days
>> >>
>> >> 3,000 Rem*
>> >> Distance: 30 miles
>> >> Much more than a lethal dose of radiation. Death can occur
>> >within hours of
>> >> exposure. About 10 years will need to pass before levels of
>> >radioactivity in
>> >> this area drop low enough to be considered safe, by U.S.
>> >peacetime
>> >> standards.
>> >>
>> >> 900 Rem
>> >> Distance: 90 miles
>> >> A lethal dose of radiation. Death occurs from two to fourteen
>> >days.
>> >>
>> >> 300 Rem
>> >> Distance: 160 miles
>> >> Causes extensive internal damage, including harm to nerve cells
>> >and the
>> >> cells that line the digestive tract, and results in a loss of
>> >white blood
>> >> cells. Temporary hair loss is another result.
>> >>
>> >> 90 Rem
>> >> Distance: 250 miles
>> >> Causes a temporary decrease in white blood cells, although there
>> >are no
>> >> immediate harmful effects. Two to three years will need to pass
>> >before
>> >> radioactivity levels in this area drop low enough to be
>> >considered safe, by
>> >> U.S. peacetime standards.
>> >>
>> >> *Rem: Stands for “roentgen equivalent man.” This is a
>> >measurement used to
>> >> quantify the amount of radiation that will produce certain
>> >biological
>> >> effects.
>> >>
>> >> *
>> >> 25 Megaton Air Blast: Pressure Damage*
>> >> Radius of destructive circle: 6.5 miles
>> >> 12 pounds per square inch
>> >>
>> >> The remains of some buildings’ foundations are visible. Some of
>> >the
>> >> strongest buildings — those made of reinforced, poured concrete
>> >— are still
>> >> standing. Ninety-eight percent of the population within this
>> >area are dead.
>> >>
>> >> Radius: 10.7 miles
>> >> 5 psi
>> >>
>> >> Virtually everything is destroyed between the 12 and 5 psi
>> >rings. The walls
>> >> of typical multi-story buildings, including apartment buildings,
>> >are
>> >> completely blown out. As you move from the center toward the 5
>> >psi ring
>> >> there are more structural skeletons of buildings standing.
>> >Single-family
>> >> residences within this this area have been completely blown away
>> >— only
>> >> their foundations remain. Fifty percent of the population
>> >between the 12 and
>> >> 5 psi rings are dead. Forty percent are injured.
>> >>
>> >> Radius: 20 miles
>> >> 2 psi
>> >>
>> >> Any single-family residences that are not completely destroyed
>> >are heavily
>> >> damaged. The windows of office buildings have been blown away,
>> >as have some
>> >> of their walls. The contents of these buildings’ upper floors,
>> >including the
>> >> people who were working there, are scattered on the street. A
>> >substantial
>> >> amount of debris clutters the entire area. Five percent of the
>> >population
>> >> between the 5 and 2 psi rings are dead. Forty-five percent are
>> >injured.
>> >>
>> >> Radius: 30.4 miles
>> >> 1 psi
>> >>
>> >> Residences are moderately damaged. Commercial buildings have
>> >sustained
>> >> minimal damage. Twenty-five percent of the population between
>> >the 2 and 1
>> >> psi rings are injured, mainly by flying glass and debris. Many
>> >others have
>> >> been injured from thermal radiation — the heat generated by the
>> >blast. The
>> >> remaining seventy-five percent are unhurt.
>> >>
>> >> NOTE: This information has been drawn mainly from “The Effects
>> >of Nuclear
>> >> War” (Washington: Office of Technology Assessment, Congress of
>> >the United
>> >> States)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Joe SPIKE
>> ><virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The first nuclear bomb Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima
>> >Japan August
>> >>> 6, 1945 at 08:15:17. That fission bomb bombarded a uranium
>> >235/92U atom with
>> >>> a neutron 1/0n –> giving 141/56 Ba + 92/36K + 31/0n.The
>> >explosive power was
>> >>> equal to 13,500 tons of TNT. The temperature of the fireball
>> >was estimated
>> >>> to have been a million degrees. The shock wave traveled at the
>> >speed of
>> >>> sound, 11,000 feet per second, causing the temperature 3/4 of a
>> >mile away to
>> >>> reach 5,400 degrees Fahrenheit; continuing to travel out a
>> >distance of one
>> >>> mile destroying all non reinforced buildings. An estimated
>> >70,000
>> >>> casualties in the initial explosion and another 30,000 died
>> >because of
>> >>> radiation and injuries. I am not certain the type of radiation
>> >emitted (1/0n
>> >>> a nuetron) but the casualties where low.
>> >>>
>> >>> Today's hydrogen bombs combine two hydrogen 2/1H +2/1H atoms to
>> >form —>
>> >>> 4/2He bomb which emits a low penetrating (can be stopped by
>> >clothing and
>> >>> distance) alpha particle which is a nucleus of a Helium 4/2He
>> >atom minus its
>> >>> electrons. The loss of two electrons gives the He ion a +2
>> >charge. The
>> >>> helium ion is to large to penetrate more that a 1/4 inch below
>> >skin and can
>> >>> be shielded by clothing and distance. However once ingested
>> >into the body
>> >>> through breathing or eating this highly charged particle will
>> >cause major
>> >>> damage including DNA re-sequencing. The energy of a hydrogen
>> >bomb is
>> >>> 500,000,000 tons of TNT causing a one mile wide crater, a three
>> >mile wide
>> >>> fireball,a ten mile high one hundred mile wide radioactive
>> >cloud of alpha
>> >>> particles will follow the wind, with sever to moderate
>> >explosive damage out
>> >>> 7 miles and light damage out 10 miles. Ultimately 150 sq. miles
>> >of damage.
>> >>> Again alpha radiation can be shielded with clothing and a wet
>> >cloth or gas
>> >>> mask over the face. Provided one is not in the 7 mile
>> >circumference blast
>> >>> zone and follows proper radiation protocol the survival rate is
>> >good.
>> >>>
>> >>> A fission explosion is used to start the fusion bomb so both
>> >bombs give
>> >>> off gamma and x-rays during the initial explosion but the range
>> >of his is
>> >>> limited to maybe 3 miles which explains the burns sustained by
>> >victims.
>> >>>
>> >>> References:
>> >>>
>> >>> Movie: Rain of Ruin
>> >>>
>> >>> http://library.thinkquest.org/C005271F/atohyd.html
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.encyclomedia.com/hydrogen_bomb.html
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> --
>> >> Kevin J
>> >> ====================
>> >> “Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with
>> >those poor,
>> >> timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
>> >> Theodore Roosevelt
>> >>
>> >> "I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
>> >> nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
>> >> sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
>> >> am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
>> >> with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
>> >> and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
>> >> them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
>> >> is not my destiny.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >**
>> >*freeman lomax*
>> >*www.1revolutionnow.com*
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>> Kevin J
>> ====================
>> “Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor,
>> timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
>> Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>> "I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
>> nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
>> sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
>> am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
>> with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
>> and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
>> them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
>> is not my destiny.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Kevin J
>> ====================
>> “Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor,
>> timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
>> Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>> "I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
>> nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
>> sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
>> am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
>> with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
>> and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
>> them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
>> is not my destiny.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> Kevin J
> ====================
> “Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor,
> timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
> Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
> nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
> sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
> am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
> with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
> and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
> them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
> is not my destiny.
>
>
>
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