[badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Field op SOP
- From: Wonder Woman <wonder10woman@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:56:55 -0800 (PST)
The next meeting is gonna be at my pad! Saturday the 19th, but I don't know
what time. Suggestions? I'll try to have a few snacks unless you guys want
somethin else like ordering pizza or something. $15 at the door, and provide
presents for the host! well, it was worth a shot.
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From: kevin Joyner <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>
To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Joe SPIKE <virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 7:06:21 PM
Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Field op SOP
Okay I'll bite even though I'm not much for nit pickers.
Who decided?
I really hate going into this because it really sounds like me bragging on
myself. And in all honesty I shouldn't have to justify myself to you. But for
the sake of argument let's do it. When I came across this group on Wram they
still hadn't gotten past being on Wram. I was the one who said let's get
together and do something and set up the face to face. I was the one who said
let's stop talking and let's start doing.
The reason I am doing it is because I am the one who stepped up to the
challenge
to do it! Since that time I have constantly offered opportunity for others to
step up and do the same.
Why did I not call you?
Because it is not my job or anyone elses to call you to see how far you can
travel. I haven't asked Lomax who lives in Madison nor have I asked Jemma who
lives in Sheboygan. Nor will I or anyone else.
The sites and passwords are handled and there is a backup person(s). You are
not one of them, deal with it!
Spike here is the bottom line since you want to do some calling out. You are a
student in this group. Until you can learn to survive, take direction and
become an educator in this group then that is what you are period! You do not
have the skills to take care of yourself and don't tell me you do because I've
seen first hand that you do not! If you do have those skills then you most
certainly have not proven it.
So don't sit back and try to call me out when I've put heart, soul, money, and
more time than I can count into this while your contribution has consisted of
baseless opinions and incorrect assumptions. Now I'm done with this pissing
contest!
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Joe SPIKE <virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Not everyone has to be at the meetings if we do it right folks. kevin at the
meetings we give you ideas on how to solve this problem and even take some of
the load. How can we do this if we did not know you are the one doing the job
(a
potato if I ever saw one)? Also who decided you should be the one wroking on
this? You have not called me to ask when I am available or how far I can
travel.
Who have you called? What is your plan of action? If you die in a car accident
or have to leave town who will continue your work that we did not even know you
were doing?
>
>SINCERELY
>JOE WELSH
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Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:54:36 -0600
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>Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Field op SOP
>From: joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx
>To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>CC: xcopdaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>Right! I'm trying to work this next meeting so that as many as possible can
>come. Unfortunately it isn't always going to be the case. If we try to solve
>every problem with meetings and the consensus of everyone then we are not
>going
>to get much done.
>
>
>On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 5:49 PM, <xcopdaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>You'll be hard pressed get everyone present at anything.
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>>Maybe at least 10 or so of us?
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>>On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:57:55 -0600 Shawn Wilkerson
>><tatz1977@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>with all present ...
>>>
>>>--- On Fri, 3/11/11, lomax <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>From: lomax <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>>Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Field op SOP
>>>To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 3:56 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>we should probably talk it over at a meet before we set it in
>>>stone
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:55 PM, lomax <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>We've talked more the last 2 days than we ever have....this is
>>>great.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Shawn Wilkerson
>>><tatz1977@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>up to a point . yes
>>>
>>>
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>>>--- On Fri, 3/11/11, Joe <virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Joe <virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Field op SOP
>>>To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 3:51 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes structure!
>>>SPIKE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: kevin Joyner
>>>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 3:35 PM
>>
>>>To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Cc: Joe
>>>Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Field op SOP
>>
>>>
>>>What is their to agree or disagree with in the SOP? This is the
>>>need for structure that is getting handled.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Joe <virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>All this is good stuff. However not everyone is reading or paying
>>>attention to this. All of this should be discussed in a meeting
>>>and what is agreed on then put out to the people. Thus the need
>>>for structure we will all be on the same page.
>>>SPIKE
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: xcopdaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 2:52 PM
>>>To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Field op SOP
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>>>We had a few problems last time
>>>
>>>Nuttin big
>>>
>>>Field training op SOP:
>>>
>>>All those participating should bring FULL BOB and line gear to all
>>>field ops unless otherwise instructed. To include minimum field
>>>gear (See WRAM posted gear list). Firearm and target ammo.
>>>Clothing
>>>appropriate to conditions. Head gear, body armor, load carry
>>>equipment, field knife ect. Not all items will always be used,
>>>but
>>>this will prevent people missing out on training because they
>>>didn't bring gear.
>>>
>>>Comms: 1 radio (of the agreed style and system) per 2 persons
>>>should be brought to all outdoor operations. Radios should be
>>>charged and in working order.
>>>
>>>Medic: EVERYONE shall bring a personal first aid kit. At least 2
>>>"squad" level 1st aid kits should be present. 1 carried by the
>>>designated medic. 1 as a backup.
>>>
>>>Procedure:
>>>Personnel shall meet at agreed time in agreed muster point.
>>>Head count shall be taken and radios/ medical equipment/ other
>>>equipment handed out as needed.
>>>
>>>Movement to training area should be done as an organized march,
>>>Either as a file (esp if in public view) or in wedge patrol
>>>formation.
>>>
>>>When training area is reached group shall fan out and sweep area
>>>and set up 360 security before conducting training.
>>>
>>>NON group movement should be done in buddy teams for safety and
>>>tactical reasons. No one should ever go anywhere alone.
>>>
>>>Training block: Training should be laid out in advance if
>>>particular equipment is required. Rappelling gear, tools, camp
>>>gear, flash lights, paintball guns etc.
>>>
>>>Training blocks should be organized in a "crawl" basic info "walk"
>>>very basic practice "run" full speed blocks for safety and ease of
>>>under standing. ABOVE all safety should be a top priority of all
>>>training.
>>>
>>>NO illegal activities should ever be advocated by training.
>>>
>>>Instruction should be conducted without interruption for
>>>efficiency, instructors should however pause as often as is
>>>practical, to allow for questions.
>>>
>>>At each field training op it would be optimal to conduct 3 blocks
>>>of training. Each block should, be integrally related to one
>>>another if at all possible.
>>>
>>>Security: For practice at field exercises during instruction 2
>>>members should be providing simulated over watch. This should
>>>rotate, through buddy teams in blocks of time evenly distributed
>>>through the buddy teams. Unless other wise designated.
>>>
>>>Breaks:
>>>for water/ bathroom/ ect should be offered approx every hour. Mid
>>>day a field kitchen should be set up in some manner and field
>>>cooking/ mess should be conducted in "bug out mode" if at all
>>>possible. Attention should be paid to not giving away location by
>>>noise, smoke, waste ect while cooking if at all possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>At conclusion of training block personnel should discuss training
>>>and relevant issues to the general group, but security should be
>>>continued through the duration of the operation for training
>>>purposes. Location sec should also be attempted to be kept
>>>through
>>>noise, light, smoke discipline whenever possible.
>>>
>>>close of training:
>>>The area should be policed for any and all garbage or items that
>>>would violate OPSEC. Extraction and egress from training area
>>>should follow the same procedures as entry.
>>>
>>>Borrowed equipment should be returned to owner or to group supply.
>>>LACE (Liquid Ammo Casualty Equipment) report should be verbally
>>>taken for future reference as to set up parameters of supply
>>>needs,
>>>individual hazards equipment needs ans the like.
>>>
>>>Head count should again be taken before dismissal of personnel.
>>>
>>>AAR: At least 1 after action report should be generated for each
>>>Field training operation by at least 1 designated participant and
>>>any other person who wishes to write one. Basic summary of the
>>>activities, problems encountered, solutions found, any other
>>>events
>>>of significance should be noted. 3 things to sustain and 3 things
>>>to improve should be submitted. The report(s)should be reviewed
>>>at
>>>the next planning meeting (non field meeting). Format should
>>>follow previous ex if possible.
>>>
>>>Discuss adjust as yall wish.
>>>
>>>That's what i can come up with with a sleeping baby on me.
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>>>--
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>>>Kevin J
>>>====================
>>>“Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with
>>>those poor, timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
>>>Theodore Roosevelt
>>>
>>>"I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
>>>nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
>>>sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
>>>am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
>>>with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
>>>and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
>>>them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
>>>is not my destiny.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>--
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>>>freeman lomax
>>>www.1revolutionnow.com
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>>>--
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>>>freeman lomax
>>>www.1revolutionnow.com
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>--
>--
>Kevin J
>====================
>“Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor,
>timid
>spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
>Theodore Roosevelt
>
>"I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
>nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
>sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
>am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
>with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
>and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
>them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
>is not my destiny.
>
>
>
--
--
Kevin J
====================
“Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor,
timid
spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
Theodore Roosevelt
"I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
is not my destiny.
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