Resistance is futile. I must weigh in on the GO-TO debate. First, there are nothing but the loosest 'rules' to the Messier Marathon, as AJ outlined. That's how it should be. If somebody electronically finds all the objects, it has no effect on whether or not I find them manually. I am not deprived of a big cash prize because they found the objects more easily than I did. The Messier Marathon is just fine. The 2001 event was one of the best star parties in the state, and barring clouds, 2003 is setting up favorably for another record number of perfect scores. The star-hopping discussion is invariably filled with analogies, so here's mine. I like to star hop for the same reason I insist on the window seat when I fly. When I make the trip to the Midwest, I like the way the Southwest ends abruptly in northeastern New Mexico, yielding to irrigated plains and then forested hills in Missouri and Illinois. When were not in the Monsoon, the quality of the sky changes as viewed from over 6 miles up. A permanent haze demonstrates why we live in the promised land for American astronomy. Now if I could be transported instantly a la Star Trek to take me there, I'd miss the sights along the way, and lose the sense of how the country is laid out. I suppose my baggage would wind up on the transporter to the wrong city anyway. I like knowing how the universe is laid out as well. That incredibly sparse star field north of Antares through the eyepiece corresponds with the dark lane extending down from Rho Ophiuchi that's visible behind the Telrad rings. Some open clusters in Scutum are right on that sharp western edge of the star cloud where it meets the Great Rift. All of the open clusters in Messiers catalogue are visible with unaided vision, which I discovered during the 2001 Messier Marathon. Now on the frequent nights when I don't have a scope, the naked-eye sky is that much richer. Constellations and other star patterns repeatedly encountered along my star hops are like familiar friends. I really, really don't have anything against electronic means of finding objects -- I used an NGC-MAX in my backyard when I was using a CCD camera -- but I think a great part of the observing experience is being lost by looking down instead of up when you're finding objects. My two least favorite arguments need to be mentioned, as they come up in every GO-TO discussion. In the pro-Telrad/finder camp, we find those who say that the only fun in observing is finding the object, as if it were some prey that's being captured. Faint galaxies are completely uninteresting little smudges. I disagree. If you take the time to learn about galaxy classification and learn a bit about their intricacies, they are very much individuals. And if you really work on the skill of patiently looking, there's detail to be seen. Likewise with globular clusters, no two of which are alike. In the pro-GO-TO camp, there is the argument that technology marches on, and you're a Luddite if you don't come along. Again, I disagree. I still like making the occasional half-mile walk to the store when the car is waiting in the garage. Does that make me a technophobe? This point is certainly not true in every case, but GO-TO scopes encourage users to see the maximum _number_ of objects in a night. It's consistent with driving with a cell phone on your ear while busily sorting through the dayplanner. You "got more done", but I'm not sure this represents an improvement in the experience. It's your hobby, and you make the choice. Electronic pointing has enhanced the hobby and brought a large number of new people on board, which I suppose is a good thing. And there's little to be said for the opinion that one has "worked" more or paid their dues by star hopping. But something is being lost by punching buttons, and I hope an appreciation for the big picture of the sky doesn't go away in coming years. Now I'm going to pry myself away from the terminal, and walk to the grocery store. I hope the wild parrots are active in the neighbor's palm tree along the way. Tom --- Tom Polakis Tempe, AZ Arizona Sky Pages http://www.psiaz.com/polakis/ -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.