We are planning on doing our White Mountains/Bishop Area Joint Star Party this August. (Thursday Aug 24 to Sunday Aug 27th) Maybe...depends on if we can get at least 10 people to go.... http://www.observingsites.com/ds_ca.htm (Big Pine) So far we have Dennis, Ara, Brad (maybe) Ellen and me. Jim Mahon http://www.lgscv.org/ is checking with his club to see how many are able to come this year. Grandview is a first come free camp so we need enough people to take over an area so people are not building fires around us. Background: About 6 years ago I came back from the GCSP and didn't take my scope out again for a couple weeks (monsoons) Jim invited me to drive out and join his clubs star party. We've been doing it ever since (except last year) as a joint star party. First couple years we had some smoke from fires west of the Sierra Nevada's and got rained and hailed on a couple times. If the weather is good and the fires are not too bad it's a better site then the Grand Canyon. (Jim may say the North Rim/Cape Royal is better) If you want to go with let me know. Got to get out of the damn monsoons. We used to have a great site at a group camp where we could control what went on but it was so good that they put radio telescopes in it. Combined Array for Research in Millimeter-wave Astronomy (CARMA) http://www.mmarray.org/ They offered us a tour if we come up. That's why we are going to Grandview Campground, we need to check out the new group camps and see what they are like. If we go my plan is to leave Phoenix on Wednesday and camp for a night in Lone Pine (Boulder Creek Campground) http://www.395.com/bouldercreek/ about an hour south of Big Pine so I'm not all beat up the first night of observing. Then Sunday camp there again and drive back to Phoenix Monday. It's a 10 hour drive for me. If you drive down the mountain to Big Pine there are showers and water (no water anywhere on the mountain) Whoever drives down makes an ice run. See our website www.siriuslookers.org for a trip report. Also a link to Brad's for other trip reports. "Wisdom denotes the pursuing of the best ends by the best means" Francis Hutchenson a Scot philosopher Thom Walczak www.siriuslookers.org -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.