Brian, Thanks, and I hope enforcement is most strict this and every year. It = was a bit sobering to see that this beautiful new place we have found must = have once went up in flames. Sure, many fires are natural in origin, but it = seems that the most destructive fires are caused by the stupidity of humans. BTW, we saw much evidence of thinning in the area. That was encouraging = to see. I hope to visit Buck Butte Meadow for many years to come (with a 55 = gal drum of DEET in tow--the local Chigger population was very happy to see = us). Oh, and Saturday night was indeed transparent: I detected the 14.8 mag galaxy IC 3303 and the 14.9 mag galaxy IC 3311 in my 12" f5 chinese Newt while trolling the M84/86 region. They were barely there with averted vision, but they were *there*. I don't think that would have happened = down in the desert. =20 Matt -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.