William (and his son John) Herschel did >most< of their "deep sky" observing with the so-called "20-foot" telescope, which was a front-view, 18-inch aperture, f: 13 monster-sized alt-az "Dobsonian", with a rapidly-tarnishing metal speculum mirror -- equivalent in light gathering power to a modern aluminized glass 13 inch mirror. The optical tube assembly (OTA) from the 20-foot is presently on display in Washington, DC in the Smithsonian. It may be fairly claimed to be the only telescope with which a >single< observer -- JOHN Herschel -- ever observed ALL of the major cataloged objects in the ENTIRE sky. The remodelled "new" 20-foot, construced ca. 1820 with mirrors fabricated by John and William together, and improved mounting features by John -- the present OTA on display in Washington -- was taken to South Africa during 1833-38 to complete John's surveys. Apparently back in those days, for urban observers, the major concern was "air pollution" from factories, due to dust (few paved streets) and the widespread use of coal for heating, cooking, and later, steam engine power. That reached an unhealthy peak (a nadir) during the mid-19th century, with "black fog" events causing numerous deaths in London. A similar situation existed in Paris during that era.... "Street lighting" was originally provided by oil lamps, later by gaslight. Sometimes the fog was so bad in London that they lit the street lamps all day..... Gene (17250) Richard Harshaw wrote: >Likewise, Gene, it is amazing to me that Charles Messier did so well from >Paris with instruments of 4.5" to 6" apertures, and speculum at that! With >modern lighting comes the modern curse of Urbanis Auroris. > >Dick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = >[mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of gene lucas >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:51 AM >To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: Weather in AZ > >Speaking of poor observing conditions.... Ol' Will Herschel moved from one >awful observing spot to another during his observing career, but did pretty >good... (He bagged the "original" Herschel 2500.....) Maybe the 40 ft mirror >just sucked up all the photons ??? :>)) > > >[snipped -- GL] > > -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.