Reportedly, there is an Atlas II rocket launch scheduled for 2 am (PST) [3 am MST in PHX] Tues. Dec. 2, 2003 from Vandenberg AFB, California. ((Shhhhhhhh! It's a SECRET Spy Mission!!)) http://spaceflightnow.com/atlas/ac164/031128preview.html < http://spaceflightnow.com/atlas/ac164/031128preview.html> NOTE that these "announced" times may be subject to change without notice!! Sometimes the launch contrail is visible from the west end of the valley in Phoenix, as the missile rises over the Pacific Ocean, beyond the White Tanks Mountains. Several times I have seen the "staging" as the upper stage rocket motors are fired for Vandenberg launches. Another good URL for launch info, by Brian Webb: http://www.spacearchive.info/ <http://www.spacearchive.info/> Visual Satellite Observer's Pages http://www.satellite.eu.org/satintro.html <http://www.satellite.eu.org/satintro.html> STSPlus Satellite Tracking Software by Dr. David Ransom (Sedona, AZ) (Shareware -- Highly recommended!) http://www.dransom.com/stsplus.html <http://www.dransom.com/stsplus.html> Gene Lucas (17250) -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.