Jeff, Thanks for the photometry information. Since I am unfamiliar with photometry, I wonder if you could achieve the photometric stability that you quantified from last night's run even if the seeing were poor. The "fast" seeing that we've been discussing does not result in much "flickering" as much as it just increases a star's "blur" (for lack of a better terms). So it seem like over the course of the integration time required for your photometry, the average brightness would be quite repeatable, as you observed. I am familiar with visual observing, however. The fast-moving air currents that several of us noticed last night are typically more global than local to the site, whereas mountain drainage into basins results in slower-moving seeing cells. So perhaps despite the excellent photometric conditions you experienced, the seeing for visual observers was not so great even at your site. After all, your 12mm eyepiece would yield a magnification of only 170x, which is just barely enough to magnify the Airy discs enough notice seeing effects. Regarding FWHM seeing measurements, back when I was imaging from my backyard with a 13" and ye olde ST-7 CCD camera, the values output by MaximDL software correlated quite well with the visually observed seeing conditions. On the best nights, I measured seeing in the neighborhood of 1.5", and it was apparent at the eyepiece. More typically, I was getting numbers nearer to 3". Tom -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.