Steve and all, Unfortunately, it does need to be talked about. I've heard from many different sources that I-8 is often the goal of the illegals, and if we could get North of I-8, then we should be just fine. I'm not against a few lights from campers, they can't be any worse than a 10 ^2156 candlepower spotlight, and the lack of explaining ourselves to freindly border patrols agents would be fine too. Have you explored other areas North of I-8, or is that it? Anyone have other ideas to check out? Thad -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.