Wil Milan replied in part: >There are several reasons why specialized astro CCD cameras are expensive Many many years ago when I was working my way through college I worked nights at a General Electric receiver plant. My job was to troubleshoot the factory line AM/FM receivers that did not work. At first I was appalled at the transistors they used for the parts. They purchased buckets (literally pails) of reject transistors (many different types) from Texas Instrument. These were put into the units and tested. Surprisingly a high percentage of the received worked fine with the rejected parts. The CCD chip is a very complex device. I suspect the top of the line expensive cameras use chips that have passed far more tests than the cheaper units. Even though they may all have the same part number and basically function the same, there are probably many levels of quality. The web camera use normally does not need the high quality chips. When using these chips for astronomical observing, the quality become more important, however. What is most interesting is the ability to take astro images with the cheap camera that sometimes rival those taken with units orders of magnitude more expensive. In fact, if anyone wishes to use these cheap web cams for astro photography I think just doing two things can greatly enhance the results. Figure a way to subtract a dark frame (this is is mainly a software problem and will cancel out many of the cheaper device's flaws) and find a way to cool the camera (this will reduce the noise and increase the sensitivity considerably). While this topic may not be 100% about observing, it certainly has direct bearing on a method of observing that previously was available only to professionals and those willing to shell out thousands of dollars. Jeff Jeff Hopkins HPO SOFT ********************************************************************* Phoenix, Arizona Atlanta, Georgia 7812 West Clayton Drive 12170 Boxwood Circle Phoenix, AZ 85033-2439 U.S.A. Alpharetta, GA 30005 U.S.A. (623) 849-5889 (Fax) (770) 619-3322 (Phone/Fax) www.hposoft.com & amug.org/~hposoft dataman.home.mindspring.com 4th Dimension Partner FileMaker Pro Expert BASIC/C++ Programmer & Web Site/e-commerce Site Development Over 25 years of Computer, Programming and Database Development Experience -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.