I'll side with Joe. Those who did catch M74 that night saw very very little of this glorious galaxy and had to take anything they could get. If there was a blazer actually in M74 serving as a handy marker, that would be considered the luck of the draw and a lot more could have and would have checked that one off. M74 is a fine object in its own right. I hope the many Marathoners do eventually get a good look at it higher in the sky some time rather than the usual dismal view at the horizon. Jack Jones Saguaro Astronomy Club Public Events Lunar List Awards and Messier Marathon Co-coordinator Phoenix AZ spicastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >Joe Larkin <joeclarkin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Yes it counts. > > > >Here's my reasoning: > > > >We see M74 do to the light of the stars that make it up. Since this > >is light from (one of the) stars in M74, you are seeing M74. > > > >And let's be extra nitpicky: > > > >But we also see light from Nebula in M74! > >my response: This is starlight reflected or light that is produced > >from gas that is excited to glow by starlight, even though that > >starlight may be outside of the visual range. > > > > While you can make the rules whatever you want, in my opinion > observing a bright supernova star in a Messier object, but not the > rest of the object should not be counted as having observed the > Messier object. > > > Jeff -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.