> I don't have an answer, but I say that it is time to address this problem or it will just get worse and we will have fewer and fewer people show up at large gathering of observers. I enjoy a big club star party or the Messier Marathon too much to give it up because folks choose not to demonstrate some courtesy toward other astronomers I agree that we have a problem, and that the solution isn't immediately available, but I think I know where to start..... For example, Marshall Daily made absolutely sure that the group he invited knew all the rules, was parked in such a way that they didn't have to back up, had disarmed their dome lights, and then walked them out with a red flashlight when they left around 9:30. It's obvious that first timers will observing these simple rules, IF they know about them. BUT.....on the other hand, I'm also sure that most of the 4 or 5 back up lights that trashed my night vision were by more experienced folks who should have known better. (even if you're been to only 1 star party, you should know the rules...) What am I going to do about it? From now on, I'm going to get to know my neighbor(s), make sure that they're headed the right direction, find out when he/she is leaving, etc.. At least I can give everyone else warning even if my neighbor doesn't....... Thad Thad Robosson starstarcracker@xxxxxxxxx SAC Member, ATM subgroup Chairman, Double star enthusiast Owner/Operator of the future "Twin Points Observatory" Phoenix, Arizona, USA 112 08.03W, 33 32.67N The use of your "delete" key is authorized. --- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. If you wish to be removed from this list, send E-mail to: AZ-Observing-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, with the subject: unsubscribe. The list's archive is at: //www.freelists.org/archives/az-observing This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.