Indeed. Having all that excess generating capacity sit idle during off-peak hours represents a loss to power companies. That was the whole idea behind the new rate structures that encourage people to run their dishwashers and other programmable appliances later in the evening. By making off-peak electricity cheaper and changing consumers' power usage habits, both parties win. But, as Richard points out, they're still using the "light = safety" argument where it doesn't always apply. That's where the latest generation of LED streetlights, now being tested and already adopted by some municipalities, could have an impact. I have seen these streetlights. APS is testing two models in a neighborhood in north Phoenix. These are gen-2, and did not fare well, losing significant brightness after only a year of operation, but the gen-3 lights are a significant improvement, both in longevity (= lower maintenance costs) and efficiency (50% greater than gen-2 = lower operating costs for the same illumination level). But where they really "shine" is in their ability to be automatically dimmed, say, after 1 pm when traffic drops significantly and safety becomes a less valid argument. I read an article, in Scientific American I believe, that pointed out how they could be equipped with sensors that not only react to ambient light levels (as do current HPS street lights for off/on) but also to the presence of a vehicle or pedestrian, to temporarily ramp up the brightness as needed to accommodate late night traffic. You can't dim an HPS, and they take too long to reach full brightness to work like I just described. LEDs can do this easily. This is why, in my presentations on light pollution, I say that DFAC endorses the development and deployment of LED lighting. The lights use blue LEDs with a special phosphor that down-converts the light to more astronomy friendly colors. You still need enough "white" for accurate color rendition, but much of the easily scattered shorter wavelengths can be avoided. You can already buy a "warm" LED light for inside use that more closely approximates the spectrum of an incandescent. Dan Heim President Desert Foothills Astronomy Club http://www.dfacaz.org On 9/17/2010 9:40 AM, Richard Harshaw wrote: > Given the fact that MOST of the power in this country is supplied by > investor-owned utilities and that they make a lot of money off the lease of > street lights and the sale of off-peak power for store lighting, etc., I > don't think we'll make much progress on light pollution until we address the > economic reality of power generation and distribution. Having worked for a > public utility in a former life, I can vouch for the aggression they > encourage in their engineers and sales reps to sell off-peak power and to > "sell" the public on the idea that more night lighting makes for a safer > community. > > Case in point-- when I lived in Kansas City, MO, a typical 400-watt HPS > street light leased to the city for $450 a year. Multiply that by 100,000 > street lights and you can see why power companies promote night time lighting > so heavily. > > > > Richard Harshaw > Cave Creek, Arizona > Brilliant Sky Observatory > -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.