Thad - Just wanted to add that there were several messages to this list on August 27 about NGC 7129 and NGC 7133. To summarize again, NGC 7129 = H.IV.75 is the possible cluster and nebula here. I say "possible" cluster because as you note there are not really all that many stars involved in the nebula - I don't think the existence of a real cluster here has yet been proven. NGC 7133 is simply a nonexistent object. It was discovered by Bigourdan, but Harold Corwin has shown that nothing exists matching Bigourdan's position and description. - Brent "Thad Robosson" <starstarcracker@xxxxxxxxx> Sent by: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 09/24/01 06:47 AM Please respond to az-observing To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc: Subject: [AZ-Observing] Sentinel Sat. 9-22 . . . Another one was the "non-existant" NGC7133. 7133 doesn't exist according to the NGC/IC site, but yet it is plotted in most atlases. However, the coordiantes of 7129 point to where 7133 is plotted. (In other words, apparently the "cluster" 7129 and the "nebulosity" 7133 are the same object) Anyhow, if you find the field, 7129/33 is the patch of 3 stars surrounded by a faint nebulosity. Find the "L" shaped asterism, and it's right on the corner of it. Many, Many thanks to the Pest for the quick loan of Night Sky Observer's Guide. (I needed the pic in the book to verify what I was looking at.) . . . --- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. If you wish to be removed from this list, send E-mail to: AZ-Observing-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, with the subject: unsubscribe. The list's archive is at: //www.freelists.org/archives/az-observing This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.