Tonight the wind dropped not long before sunset: Time T(F) RH DewP Wind 6 pm 67.3 26% 31.3 11 WSW 7 pm 64.6 27% 29.9 7 WSW 8 pm 59.7 27% 25.8 4 W 9 pm 56.8 30% 25.8 3 W ...and now that it's dark, the naked-eye scintillation is "usual", i.e. moderate amplitude and speed. Yet the turbulence forecast models... http://www.rap.ucar.edu/projects/itfa/turbfc1.html http://www-frd.fsl.noaa.gov/mab/tke/tke_new.cgi ..and the 'Clear Sky Clock' all show northern AZ to have moderate-to-strong turbulence/poor seeing for at least the first half of the night. And guess what: the observer at the 72-inch reports "rotten" seeing. The seing is worse than last night, the very twinkly night that Steve was complaining about. The 72-inch has 19 _meters_ focal length, so is pretty sensitive to seeing, but I don't see anything unusual in LONEOS images (2".5 per pixel), and it looks fine in my little Pronto, which I happen to have out looking at some red stars. \Brian -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.