Bear in mind the tremendous bureaucracy under which the USFS operates, and remember that on any given day they probably get pulled in five different directions. Jeff's experience seems to have been one-sided, and contrary to most folks'. It would nevertheless be good if someone from the clubs could attend and report if anything significant happened. It could well be that the road-closures that are being suggested would be helpful for the astro-camping, since it might reduce unwelcome traffic in the same region. As Andrew (I think) suggested, the roads they'd like to close are probably disused ones from logging operations decades ago, and not the graded ones to regular sites for observing. A possible parallel example was 10 or more years ago when Lowell/USNO wanted to rejigger the special-use area at Anderson Mesa to accomodate the Navy interferometer. The Forest Service thought it was great because it allowed them to block off at least half a dozen "roads" created by boneheads in monster trucks who drive out onto undisturbed areas during the spring snowmelt, producing deep ruts, which produces all sorts of erosion problems. Such ruts take many decades to "heal". The low split-rail fence around the interferometer forced everyone to use the legit trail (still ungraded) that goes out onto the Mesa well east of the telescope site. \Brian -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.