I just spotted an Ad on Astro-mart that might interest the group. This one is for an AP Star 12 120mm APO at F8.4 this was one of the first ED refractors sold by Roland Christen I've looked through one myself and this was the instrument that convinced me to make the purchase of my AP 130 F6 http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=298281 Clear Skies Dwight L Bogan -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.