> > Last night, (as I thought I made it clear in my earlier message...) we > set up only about 500 yards east of the interchange, just past the AF > Monument signs, in a "relatively" flat dirt area, right next to the > graded dirt road leading in. But you also said: "We did NOT attempt to ford the streambed. There are fairly decent areas for parking and observing well off the frontage road to the east aolng the well-graded dirt road leading from the Badger Springs interchange" and this is what I was referring to. If you stay in the area immediately off I-17 there is no problem, but if you go further east, and you can go quite a ways *without* crossing a stream bed, and even though there is an outhouse further in (if I recall correctly) that area becomes a muddy quagmire because of poor drainage. Stan -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.