>> Have you often had nights where the telescopic seeing is the "reverse" o >> the naked eye view? Plenty, notably in winter after a storm passage (Monday night was almost the same synoptic situation, just no snow!). The naked-eye sky will show only "normal" twinkling, yet the star images in the telescope are 20, 30, even 50 arcsec(!). It happens when the wind has switched to the northeast, but aloft it's still coming down the back side of the trough from the N-NW. Other times, sure, the sky is pulsating wildly, and the images are merely "bad" rather than piss-poor. Certainly plenty of occasions, too, where it's very windy like you saw a couple nights ago, but well ahead of a frontal passage---and the seeing is subarcsec as estimated from close double stars. And again, nearly calm and the seeing is lousy, usually from local cold air drainage. There's also the case that Tom Polakis and I remember from when we were at Las Campanas in Chile, where the wind was howling yet seeing was terrific. The wind business is a matter of lack of vertical turbulence (unlike during a trough passage, when vertical motions are strong), and the uniformity of temperatures---as long as it's isothermal, wind is not a detriment to seeing. Alan MacRobert had some nice articles about all this (and "fast" and "slow" seeing) in S&T about ten years ago. \Brian -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.