List; I received an Astro-Tech 8" F4 (AT8IN) scope earlier this week. It was badly out of alignment when it arrived and I am having problems getting everything to line up. I have tried my laser collimator and cheshire eyepiece with no luck. The images reflect the alignment problem. It's like I haven't collimated a Newtonian before. I have had an 18" Obsession for ~15 years. I have called Astronomics and they can offer no advice. They say these scopes are aligned at the factory. With the secondary not even reflecting light from the primary I disagree. Can somebody in the greater Phoenix area assist me? Jim Waters SAC/EVAC -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.