OK, I will take some of the blame here. I talked Matt into starting to look for a dust lane where there is none. My notes from years past with the 13 incher even mention the hint of a dust lane at 165X. And, of course, none exists. Ah well, perfection still eludes me. Steve Coe Author "Deep Sky Observing--The Astronomical Tourist" Saguaro Astronomy Club website www.saguaroastro.org -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.