Steve and all; November is fine; as to the site, there is no question that Sentinel is far superior to Vekol with its much darker skies, and it is only about 45 min west on I-8 from Vekol road. IMHO, it is absolutely worth the drive. A far as I am concerned, SAC could host SSSGs in the fall AND the spring, giving me a good excuse to spend more time observing under dark skies. Matt -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.