Howdy all; Here is my observation with my old Orion 4 inch refractor. It is not much. Clear skies; Steve Coe Mini Orion CMA|07 17.0|-24 21| 5 |15' |6 stars | 4? f/6 27mm EP faint and small. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.