While AJ Crayon was discussing the site of the upcoming Messier Marathon at the last SAC meeting, I heard a voice come out of the crowd claim that the mountains in the direction that M30 rises are 6 to 8 degrees tall. This estimate sounded high by at least a factor of five, since a rise in 1000 feet would have to be less than two miles away to be reach 6 degrees. And the airfield site is as flat as a pancake for miles to the east. Since I didn't know the real value, I kept my mouth shut. There had to be some measurements out there, and who better to know them than Mister GPS himself, Rick Tejera? Several years back, Rick did a survey of all of the high points along the local horizon at the Salome Emergency Airfield site. He recorded elevations and distances and then did the trig to put together the altitude vs. azimuth table below. Since M30 rises at an azimuth of roughly 120 degrees, it looks like the elevation of the horizon is 1 degree, at worst. This horizon will have no effect on the visibility of M30 at dawn. Even with an ideal horizon, you'd never see M30 through that first degree of desert horizon crud, anyway. Tom Azimuth Altitude 2 1.07 21 0.31 45 0.52 49 0.83 70 0.19 75 0.82 78 0.40 80 0.70 81 0.22 117 0.41 122 1.07 135 0.64 161 0.25 167 1.10 178 0.70 189 1.02 212 0.40 226 0.79 231 0.71 235 1.15 253 0.61 255 1.19 261 0.76 266 0.15 271 0.66 276 1.10 284 0.16 288 0.92 294 0.01 300 1.09 301 0.62 311 1.89 314 1.74 315 1.54 335 0.23 345 0.82 349 0.33 354 1.14 -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.