Brian; I will certainly give your listing a try. I have no doubt that having = the Pole stars only up 35 to 45 degrees is limiting the magnitude that I = could see. By "10 percent detectability" do you mean that you keep staring at the = same spot in the sky and these stars are seen for 10 percent of the = time...or, that you look away and then look back and 1 out 10 attempts is = successful? Because I drew to Little Dipper so that I could refer to it later, I am certain that turning on and turning off the dim red flashlight effected = the results. That could also be an interesting addition to the trial, once = you have established the faintest star held steady, then take some notes and = see if it is still visible and how long it takes to return after the light = is off. Fun, fun, fun (quoting Brian Wilson) Steve Coe -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Skiff Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:12 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: Magnitude limit at Hovatter Antennas site >> ...though this is >> much fainter than Steve's "faintest star that I held steady"... By this I meant that I do not "hold steady" a star this faint, but it is in the 10-20 percent detectability range. The limit where you simply look up and can instantly catch something is more like the mag 6.5 that Steve quoted. But this of course is way brighter than the real threshold for any given site. \Brian -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and = please=20 send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.