They coulda been rogue Leonids (or Taurids, as I said in a subsequent post). They were exactly straight east to west, and ~30 degrees long. Jack Your 8:00 p.m. Leonids must be false alarms. The Leonids hit on the wrong side of the Earth at that time. Meteors do not curve around the Earth. That still does not mean that the two you saw weren't a lot a fun. Bill --- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. If you wish to be removed from this list, send E-mail to: AZ-Observing-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, with the subject: unsubscribe. The list's archive is at: //www.freelists.org/archives/az-observing This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.